05 Expy timing and cam issues

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Timothy Rapose

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Had a loud noise coming from the motor whenever I would come to a stop or put it in reverse them it would die if I didn't give it gas. Ended up buying everything to do the timing chains and phasers. I've got it all apart and when I put the timing chain together and get it all timed and when I turn the crank by hand I hear a click every half turn. So when I check to see if it is the springs popping I notice some metal shavings on the rollers. I don't have the tool to get them off, so I removed the cams and noticed that where the cams connect to the heads they are pretty grooved. Looks like metal in metal. Isn't there supposed to be bearings? I think that that is where the shavings are coming from. Also took out a few lifters and they would not move at all. Is there a way to test each one? Also noticed a small hairline crack on the head on the passenger side right where the front bearing is behind the phaser. Do I need to be concerned about all of this? I still owe quite a bit on the car. Am I wasting my money doing all of the timing stuff?. I will add pictures.20161228_164428.jpg 20161228_144705.jpg 20161228_163913.jpg 20161228_164431.jpg 20161228_140254.jpg
 

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You might want to watch this series of videos. In 4 of 4 he talks about the cam shafts and what you need to know. I hope this helps.
 

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Hi Tim,
Oh yes the dreaded tick. I just repaired mine, 05 King Ranch. Basically you have a number of problems going on. Oiling problems is at the base of all of them. Here is what I done on mine and now it runs as good as new. And yes as suggested above watch Brian on fordmakuloco videos, he will show you how to repair the problems.
1. The grooves are kind of common on high mileage rigs. By pics they don't look too bad, but hard to tell. No bearings, just piss pore design by Ford, well actually your problems all are.
2. The lifter, actually lash adjusters, are probably ok if they are hard. Basically means they are pumped up because of oil pressure. I would certainly pull each and check for any wear or burrs.
3. The problem more likely is the cam followers. They have needle bearings and lack of oil pressure/supply kills them. Check each one for any rough turn of the follower wheel. Check the ones on the back cylinders passenger side. These are the ones that are normally starved for oil and die. Keep all lash adjusters and followers in order of placement so you can put them back in same place if you reuse them. I didn't want to take a chance so replaced them all, the lash adjusters and followers. Look on line and you can find the set for a 4.6 Mustang GT for about 260.00. They are interchangeable with the 5.4. These are Ford OEM upgrades, according to them. Getting the followers back on is a bit tricky but can be done with a screw driver, I wrapped my screw driver with electrical tape so as not to damage the cams.
4. Because of the follower failure and metal shavings you will more then likely need to replace the cam, or like I did both cams. I choked and bought mine from China, don't like doing that but way, way cheaper then Ford and looked very much original quality. Also remember that the cams are side specific, so don't get them mixed up.
5. So now you have new phasers and timing chain assembly's and that is good as these are problematic with these engines as well, the tensioners can die or plastic guides fail. But you have to go back in and pull all that off again and replace the oil pump. The pump sits under the lower crank gear and is held on by 3 bolts and 2 small ones on the pickup tube. The hardest part is reaching the 2 on the oil pickup. Put a rag in the pan because you will drop them 3-4 times before you get them in. The flexible ratchet wrench works great. Don't use a Ford oil pump or any of the ebay ones. Go with a Mellings M340 or M360. Either will work and thus solving all your oiling problems which created the ticking problems. You can find both on Amazon or ebay. I used the factory replacement Melling M340 and was 80.00. Oil pressure doubled.
6. While you are this deep you might as well replace the phaser solenoids. And remove and clean out the housing they set in. These are the controls for your phasers. Mine had gunk in the passeges, yours may likely be the same seeing all those metal shavings. Also make sure you get those shavings out of the motor.
7. Drain the motor oil and replace with high quality 5-30 motor oil and a motorcraft filter. Ford calls for 5-20 but I feel you get better oiling qualities with a little higher viscosity so most mechanics recommend the 5-30. Don't go el cheapo filters (Fram) on these modular engines as that helps kill them. Stay with motorcraft, Wally World they are under 3.00 so still cheap, but work great. And keep the oil fresh, change at 3000 miles.

Good luck, a big expensive project but the Expedition will run like new when done
 
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The metal shavings and crack on the cylinder head are bothersome. You need to clean everything inside the engine. It might be practical to count your losses and stop right now. Sell the truck and get another one.
 

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I guess you ask yourself how much you want to spend? How many miles on this motor? Any engine can be fixed. I hate when vehicles end up in a wrecking yard. Your year is one of the problem child ones. If it was me, I'd fix all worn parts, new if possible, used if too prohibitive. Definitely clean pan of debris and metal. If your SUV is real high mileage, 250 or above, and you want to keep your truck, might look into a low mileage motor out of a wrecked one. Here in the Bay Area we get a ton of them at pick and pull. Keep us posted which route you go. Bottom line is to keep this SUV on the road.


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As far as checking the lash adjusters, remove them one at a time, so as not to mix up in their bores. all you do is push down on the rounded ball end. If good they will push down and push oil out. If frozen, which a lot of times are, due to small opening, and poor oiling from pump, they won't move at all. You should check them all. A lot of cases loud ticking is a frozen lash adjuster, not phaser problem.


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The lash adjusters were a concern to me, so done a little research and in the end decided to not chance them. I did find a good post on SVT Performance.com about lash adjusters and how to test them. They said the Ford manual says to try the bleed down method. Compress the adjuster with a vice or drill press or??? and count how long it takes to push the oil out and fully collapse them. They said the Ford manual says 5-25 seconds. Any you can push down by finger before compressing mechanically they are no good and any that won't bleed down mechanically in that time frame are no good. Mine felt like on ****** for a week, but never tried bleeding them down.

A trick I learned after ruining a set of very expensive racing lifters years ago in my early days of engine building (shortly out of high school) is to pump up the lifters before installing them. What I find works very well and done it to the new lash adjusters on this project is to use an oil gun,(mine is Harbor Freight, works great) put the tip in the oil hole of the adjuster/lifter and give the oil gun a few pumps until the oil comes out of the top of the lash adjuster/lifter. This pre-fills them and has them set for "almost" proper tension on the cam and valve springs. Pre-oiling the engine also does the same thing, but more difficult on these newer modular engines.

I hope this post on testing lash adjusters helps as it is widely ask on other Mustang, performance, F-150 Forums

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If your lash adjuster on your expedition won't pump down within 4 hours, get him a Pink Miata, to ease the pain!


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I like the way theirs a nugenix ad right below your 3 ball cat post, that's perfect.


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What's the :0 mean?


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a smile. Heck I had to look it up to see what nugenix is. Now I am informed. Nugenix and ****** would both ruin your lash adjusters
 

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Maybe so, but your kickstand would be thrilled!


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