08-10 Ford Expedition radio/gps wanted

[Gary Waugh]

Anyone know where I can get a genuine 2008-2010 Ford GPS satelite radio from? My GPS has been intermittent for a long time and now the satelite radio is playing up (could be the antenna, but want to change the radio first (fed up with GPS misbehaving)) and then might change the satelite antenna if I still have a problem. None of the scrap yards near me have a unit, can't find anything on eBay, don't want to fit a generic unit as I like the way the ford one works with the steering wheel controls and the wheel sensors to measure distance even when no satelite reception is possible. I am in Dallas, Texas.

Thanks for any suggestions.

Gary

 

[Josha907]

Check out Kenwood can do all that and read engine data.plus better sound quality
Crutchfield has everything you need and tells you what you need.

 

[chuck571]

I have a slightly used 2008 radio nav unit that I took out of my 08 if you are interested and it wont cost you 8 or 9 hundred plus. Original factory unit. Should be plug and play. Email me @ [email protected] if interested.

 

[Aspen03]

A 12-14yr old unit without updates isn't quite as useful as the "generic" models out there. Kenwood and Pioneer have a very nice interface, will work w steering controls and much, much more along w the improved audio quality. If you want standalone GPS where you aren't relying on Android auto or Carplay there are a few Kenwood units with Garmin integrated and a dedicated GPS antenna. Only really useful if you frequent areas of no cell service however and even then you can download large swaths of areas in Google maps with a couple clicks to enable offline navigation.

The offer above may be just what you need though. An aftermarket w standalone GPS is probably going to be north of 5-600 plus install parts.

 

[chuck s]

+1

GPS with 15 year old "maps" is what you want? That's what a used OEM unit will get you. And probably no means to update it. Updated a pair of Garmins two days ago. My Sync3 maps have gotta be at least two years old using the latest available updates. Running both units last night Garmin advised me to "take the 3d exit from the roundabout," Ford wanted me to "turn left at the stop sign." New roundabout last year. Critical? No but an indication of how accurate the units are.

Tell me more about "wheel sensors to measure distance even when no satelite reception is possible." (Just curious.)

-- Chuck

 

[Trainmaster]

I installed an OEM Ford satellite/GPS in my '08 XLT. Find one on ebay or from a junkyard. I paid $200 for the unit; they generally go for about $300. They are programmed for the car line and the features of the individual truck, like rear entertainment and rear woofer amp. Search for one out of an Expedition or the pins may be programmed wrong. Both 2007 and 08 share similar radios with the 08 knobs trimmed in chrome.

Since the XLT's aren't offered with GPS receivers, I had to add a wire to the harness for steering wheel controls and add the rear woofer and amplifier wiring.

The GPS units in 2009 through 2014 are different and require different programming, so check further about that if you need one for those years. These are available pre-programmed from infotainment.com for <yikes> $1500.

 

[brhulen]

If you are possibly looking at replacing the GPS antenna I would try that first as I have heard they are prone to failure. I have a 2011 Expedition Limited and the GPS/Sirius radio started acting up. I wound up having to replace the ACM along with the antenna. The dealership told me it would be cheaper to go to Car Toys and have an aftermarket one installed. Checked it out and it was over $2,500 including installation. So stuck with OEM but cheaper at a little under $1,500.

 

[Trainmaster]

Brhulen's advice is really good. A new aftermarket GPS antenna is $10. The GPS antenna is under the dash above the radio support and the satellite antenna is on the roof.

 

[Gary Waugh]

thanks guys, I thought the same antenna was used for Sirius satelite radio reception and GPS reception, sounds like I was wrong, that would explain why the GPS is showing a good signal, but the sirius radio shows no signal!! I suspect the roof satelite antenna has failed. Unfortunately that part is not available from Ford so I will buy an equivalent antenna and see if that helps.
Regards Gary

 

[Gary Waugh]

sorry everyone, but another question. I assumed the antenna on the roof just connected directly to the radio/gps unit and operated both units. I now hear that the GPS has it's own antenna under the main dash board and the antenna on the roof is only for Sirius radio. Can anyone please confirm, does the roof antenna go directly to the radio unit (Its a 2008 EL Limited) or does it go to another control unit down near the shift lever and then go to the radio? I was assuming the antenna had failed or the radio, but it's beginning to sound like there is another control box between the Antenna and radio which could also have failed!! I don't have a ford manual for this car, but am going to order one (hopefully the schematics are in it) but hoping someone on here might be able to help.

Regards Gary

 

[brhulen]

Gary,
The other unit you are referring to is an ACM (audio control module). And that is probably the culprit. The local Ford dealership was going to replace the roof satellite antenna if it was bad but as it turned out it was the ACM which had failed. So the satellite antenna must be available.

 

[Gary Waugh]

Gary,
The other unit you are referring to is an ACM (audio control module). And that is probably the culprit. The local Ford dealership was going to replace the roof satellite antenna if it was bad but as it turned out it was the ACM which had failed. So the satellite antenna must be available.

Many thanks for the information, have bought a new Ford radio, will also fit the new satelite antenna and then if it still doesn’t work will see Ford about the ACM. I did see a Ford TSB from some time ago, suggesting reprogramming the ACM to avoid Satelite fault messages (which is what I am seeing) so this only convinces me even more that the ACM is the issue not the antenna or radio, but as I have bought spare parts for both and my navigation unit has been giving error messages for several years, it seems sensible to fit the new parts and then get the ACM checked/fixed.

 

[brhulen]

Gary,
When mine failed, the Sirius radio indicated faulty antenna. Initially the channels would fade in and out and then finally quit completely. Also the GPS was off by about 100 miles! Again they replaced the ACM and all was well however I did have to contact Sirius and they had to reset the sat radio which was another $15. Best of luck and keep us posted on the outcome.

 

[Gary Waugh]

Many thanks, I replaced the antenna and no change, I then replaced the radio and still no change, still get the satellite fault error message. If I wait a while (anywhere from 5 minutes to an hour) thé satellite radio starts working, but if I turn off the ignition and turn it back on, I get the satellite fault message and have to wait again befor the satellite radio starts working. Searching on the WEB. it seems Ford issued a TSB a long time ago for this sort of issue and it was related to the ACM, I will book the car in at Ford to have them look at the issue and share the TSB with them, maybe I will get lucky and just need the ACM reprogramming rather than replacing..

 

[Trainmaster]

The satellite radio module is under the console, and the rooftop antenna runs to that. If I remember correctly there is a short jumper in that antenna wiring, so check the connectors on that also. The GPS antenna (which sits under the dash and is access able when the radio is removed) plugs into the back of the radio.

If the GPS is giving you problems, I believe that would rule out the satellite module under the console as the radio unit can be programmed to function without satellite radio, unless you have more than one problem.

 

[Gary Waugh]

The satellite radio module is under the console, and the rooftop antenna runs to that. If I remember correctly there is a short jumper in that antenna wiring, so check the connectors on that also. The GPS antenna (which sits under the dash and is access able when the radio is removed) plugs into the back of the radio.

If the GPS is giving you problems, I believe that would rule out the satellite module under the console as the radio unit can be programmed to function without satellite radio, unless you have more than one problem.

Thé GPS is not giving me any satellite issues, the DVD reader often gives an error message (I suspect the dvd reader is just worn out after 14 years of use. The Sirius radio is the only thing reporting satellite issues.
regards Gary