2005 with all the engine issues of the 3V

[JBLAIN]

I have a 2005 EB with 130k or so on it, the cam phaser, oil pump, or timing chains have went out on it. will any other motors/years besides the 3v 5.4l motor bolt in this with out a ton of fabrication or retro fitting? I may just replace it but don't want to put the same ol junk in it.

 

[deweysmith]

Using new Motorcraft parts (they've been updated) will fix it so it doesn't fail again, as long as you do the whole job. Lots easier than an engine swap, imo. Especially trying to custom fab a different engine into it, because yeah, that would be a huge project.

 

[mbtech2003]

http://www.freedomracing.com/ford-parts.html

Cheapest oem parts. I used them for my 05

 

[JExpedition07]

I have a 2005 EB with 130k or so on it, the cam phaser, oil pump, or timing chains have went out on it. will any other motors/years besides the 3v 5.4l motor bolt in this with out a ton of fabrication or retro fitting? I may just replace it but don't want to put the same ol junk in it.

Do a timing job, And after use only Motorcraft filters with a good silicone anti drainback valve so the tensioners don’t break and cause problems. These engine HATE cheap oil filters. The 5.4 3V a good powertrain as long as you keep up on it and fix it right....... just like the 6.0 PS........lol. You may also consider switching to 5W-30 Oil.

 

[deweysmith]

The funny thing about cheap oil filters is the Motorcraft is the cheapest, aside from the ultra-cheap ones that I'd never use anyway. $3.87 at my local Walmart, a few cents cheaper on rockauto.com.

 

[1955moose]

Funny thing about oil filters is some motors don't matter what you use, others do. Bottom line make sure they have that drain back valve if aftermarket, or just spend couple bucks extra, and get oem. Oil/ filter isn't something you want to gamble with. Buy two or more at a time, so you have it ready.

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[JExpedition07]

The funny thing about cheap oil filters is the Motorcraft is the cheapest, aside from the ultra-cheap ones that I'd never use anyway. $3.87 at my local Walmart, a few cents cheaper on rockauto.com.

This statement makes no sense, and has no backing whatsoever. Wix makes Motorcraft filters, the MC filters are exact WIX models with the ford name stamped on them at a cheaper price. Price =/= quality. MC filters are the best filter for these engines for the money. WIX makes some of the best oil filters on the market today.

 

[deweysmith]

The WIX is like a dollar more on RockAuto. The only ones cheaper than the Motorcraft are brands like EcoGuard and Pentius.

There’s a Bosch that is cheaper, but that’s it.

I’m not saying that’s a bad thing either btw. I have 4 Motorcraft filters in a RockAuto box in my garage right now

 

[Tdh777]

The 4.6 will fit just fine. If possible get the harness and computer with it. Most used auto parts have them as a unit and are fairly cheap. Most come with a 60-90 day warranty

 

[Tdh777]

I buy my motorcraft filters from Walmart and they are about 4 dollars. What’s the big deal. Even if it was ten dollars, why would that be an issue. Filters are the cheapest part anyone will even buy for there vehicle. Cheaper than 1 sparkplug

 

[MrBlargMan]

The 4.6 will fit just fine. If possible get the harness and computer with it. Most used auto parts have them as a unit and are fairly cheap. Most come with a 60-90 day warranty

A 5.4L 2V would be a much better alternative. Or better yet, just do a timing job like mentioned and you'll be set.

 

[theoldwizard1]

Using new Motorcraft parts (they've been updated) will fix it so it doesn't fail again, as long as you do the whole job. Lots easier than an engine swap, imo.

CONCUR !

Once all of the accessories are off and the valve covers and front cover is off, the rest of the job is gravy. There should be no additional (or very minimal) extra labor involved in replacing ALL of the valve timing components, including the oil pump.

 

[1955moose]

Older vehicles were no big deal what motor/tranny you installed. Biggest issues were will it fit under the hood, and finding the right motor/ trans mounts. Nowadays you've got computers and sensors, and wiring harness's that aren't there. Then theirs the flashing of the computer to make it all play nice together. Unless your real good at electrical retrofits, I'd take the advice of the other members, and rebuild yours with new Ford updated parts, or wrestle in a complete engine.

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[rjdelp7]

This statement makes no sense, and has no backing whatsoever. Wix makes Motorcraft filters, the MC filters are exact WIX models with the ford name stamped on them at a cheaper price. Price =/= quality. MC filters are the best filter for these engines for the money. WIX makes some of the best oil filters on the market today.

Wix do not make Motorcraft filters. They make them for Napa. Champ/Champion make Motorcraft, to Ford spec. The cheapo oil change places, use sketchy, off brand filters(group 7,etc). Ford, upgraded phasers and spark plugs, on the models with issues.

 

[JExpedition07]

Wix do not make Motorcraft filters. They make them for Napa. Champ/Champion make Motorcraft, to Ford spec. The cheapo oil change places, use sketchy, off brand filters(group 7,etc). Ford, upgraded phasers and spark plugs, on the models with issues.

Depends which filter, the FL-820S I use from Ford is made by purolator.

 

[Boose]

I have a 2005 EB with 130k or so on it, the cam phaser, oil pump, or timing chains have went out on it. will any other motors/years besides the 3v 5.4l motor bolt in this with out a ton of fabrication or retro fitting? I may just replace it but don't want to put the same ol junk in it.

If you're handy with a wrench go for the timing job. I did it myself over a weekend and it was a gratifying job. I had just under 100K on my 05 and it was starting to sound like a diesel. I never had the stumble, misses, or CEL. I did it as a preventative correction. If you do it, make sure that you replace the timing chain tensioners... The seals on the back of the tensioners are really the smoking gun for these issues. The o-ring seals from the factory fail and lead to oil pressure bleed-off. The pressure doesn't make it up to the phasers, and all hell starts to break lose.

From the top of my head the parts changed were as follows:

Phasers, chains, guides, tensioners, (I changed the solenoids too, but it wasn't mandatory). I also changed the oil pump as there has been significant research that proved the flexing of the back plate of the pump above 3,000 RPM. This lead to some bleed-off as well, similar to the tensionser issue. I used a Mellings high volume pump with a billet back plate. The pump is on the crank snout and you do not need to drop the pan in order to change.

While I had it apart, I did a power steering pump ,a water pump, and the serpentine belt as they were easily accessible.

Big job, but when you hit the key and hear nothing but injectors and exhaust, it restores a lot of confidence in your ride.

 

[MenoFalls Expy]

SAME, I did exactly what the guy above did 1 year ago or 11k miles ago. I bought just about everything mechanical from NAPA and the hoses, belt, plugs and fluids from Advance Auto Parts. It cost me just under $2000, just think, even if you swap a motor you are still going to want to change most of that stuff out as long as it is apart so... might as well fix what you have, because you know there is going to be 1 or 2 sensors that just will not communicate properly and will cause the engine light to light.

By the way, my chain tensioners blew out while I was using a Mobil-1 filter...never again!

 

[JExpedition07]

The whole Motorcraft OEM upgraded set minus oil pump can be snatched on amazon for $850