2008 V-8 vs. 2016 V-6 on the Road

[coolzzy]

As a side note, the 5.0 is a turd for towing, it has to scream (and is designed to do so) at 4k+ rpm to pull a load in the mountains. I actually traded in my 2012 5.0 F150 for a 2010 5.4 which was day and night better towing in the same circumstances and ran cooler transmission temps as well. I owned the 5.0 for 3 years and went through 3 different trailers in that time so I'm not just making this up.

I am surprisingly getting 1-2mpg better towing and unloaded with my ecoboost than the 5.4 (about the same as I got with the 5.0) and I drove both vehicles conservatively. The eco sure makes for a stress free pull though, after a minute or two of hearing your motor turning 4k rpm in 2nd gear (with the 5.0 motor, converter unlocked and building heat fast) it starts to get to you and despite its design, feels like it's going to explode. The 5.4 purred along at 3500-4k and was far more enjoyable. Just not as much as the eco.

 

[07xln]

I don’t understand the driving an ecoboost then not considering anything else. I’ve driven them on many occasions and it has never changed my opinion.

So the way you feel about a truck is the way all of us should feel. Why is it so hard for you to accept the fact that we think the Ecoboost is a better engine and a better performing engine than the 5.4? I don't get why you insist on arguing or insist on trying to change peoples minds. Coolzzy owned a 5.4 and thinks the 3.5 is better yet you seem to think he doesn't know what hes talking about.

Get over it dude

 

[UncleDJ]

So the way you feel about a truck is the way all of us should feel. Why is it so hard for you to accept the fact that we think the Ecoboost is a better engine and a better performing engine than the 5.4? I don't get why you insist on arguing or insist on trying to change peoples minds. Coolzzy owned a 5.4 and thinks the 3.5 is better yet you seem to think he doesn't know what hes talking about.

Get over it dude

Why does it upset you so that some of us like our 5.4?
Ecoboost sounds to be a great motor, but you get your undies all bunched up whenever someone expresses delight with the larger 5.4 motor.
I'm truly happy that you like yours.....why can't you be happy that some of us like ours?
Different strokes (Literally...lol)...for different folks.
Peace out.

 

[07xln]

Why does it upset you so that some of us like our 5.4?
Ecoboost sounds to be a great motor, but you get your undies all bunched up whenever someone expresses delight with the larger 5.4 motor.
I'm truly happy that you like yours.....why can't you be happy that some of us like ours?
Different strokes (Literally...lol)...for different folks.
Peace out.

You’re barking up the wrong tree my friend and you have no dog in this fight. You won’t find a single post from me on this website where I dog on anybody that owns a 5.4 or give them a hard time if they prefer it over the ecoboost. On the other hand you’ll find post after post after post on here where guys with 5.4’s relentlessly hammer the Ecoboost.

Go enjoy your Memorial Day weekend and stop trying to drum up some drama

 

[UncleDJ]

You don't need my help with the drama.
Have a great weekend my friend.
Let's all take a moment and reflect on what the holiday's about.

 

[Muddy Bean]

Why does someone who has been a member here only two months argue with people who have been members here for years? As a newbie I try to show some respect to others on here who have been here posting for years. Am I the only one who practices decent forum protocol?


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[Dakota4ce]

This argument is a trip. Good gravy folks.

What are the 5.4 guys gonna do when their truck wears out? Eventually you’re gonna have to embrace the eco. That’s gonna be a weird day.




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[UncleDJ]

Like I said....touchy subject.
Expy is a great vehicle, no matter which motor you have.
Take care all....

 

[JExpedition07]

This argument is a trip. Good gravy folks.

What are the 5.4 guys gonna do when their truck wears out? Eventually you’re gonna have to embrace the eco. That’s gonna be a weird day.




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Well ford still sells multiple platforms powered by V8 powertrains and has said that their V8 is not going away so there are other avenues. Hopefully the 5.0 makes its way to the expy. Not to mention you can rebuild your motor or get a new one at that. There is always options.

 

[LokiWolf]

Beating a dead horse...it died, we buried it, it came alive as a zombie, we shot it in the head, for heavens sake let this thread die. It is useless dribble wasting server space and bandwidth.

You have one group stuck on their old slow motor that did a great job when it was new. They think that 2 more cylinders makes a motor superior. One uses one kill story to demonstrate his 5.4 is better. One!

The other group has embraced having 2 turbos to replace the 2 missing cylinders in their EB motor. They enjoy more torque, lower, and longer. With a tuner ridiculous power gains can be had. Thousands must be spent to get the same power gains out of the NA motors. That isn’t for everybody but is a factor for many of us.

Until the guys with the 5.4’s buy an EB powered vehicle and drive it everyday they won’t appreciate it.

Nobody is going to change their mind any time soon therefore making this thread absolutely useless.

 

[Trainmaster]

Well I'm the Original Poster here, and no, I didn't intend on changing anyone's mind or starting a s**tstorm. I should have known better. When my 5.4 is gone, if I still like the Expedition's I'll have no problem buying an Ecoboost. Like anything else that's new to me, it will take some getting used to, but from what I see, it's a darn good motor. Hope it stays that way and that Ford doesn't do something stupid to save a few bucks.

 

[LokiWolf]

Well I'm the Original Poster here, and no, I didn't intend on changing anyone's mind or starting a s**tstorm. I should have known better. When my 5.4 is gone, if I still like the Expedition's I'll have no problem buying an Ecoboost. Like anything else that's new to me, it will take some getting used to, but from what I see, it's a darn good motor. Hope it stays that way and that Ford doesn't do something stupid to save a few bucks.

Good call on Ford doing something stupid...like say getting rid of all cars minus 2. [emoji849]

Yeah, your rental was an obvious aberration in quality. It had obviously been mistreated from day 1. I have owned 2 EB Expy’s now and both have had none of the issues your rental did.

Enjoy your day!

 

[Dakota4ce]

Well ford still sells multiple platforms powered by V8 powertrains and has said that their V8 is not going away so there are other avenues. Hopefully the 5.0 makes its way to the expy. Not to mention you can rebuild your motor or get a new one at that. There is always options.

Ahhhh. Should have known you would rebuild it.



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[jeff kushner]

I do find all the "concern" for the longevity of the turbochargers interesting...uneducated as it is. Turbos were invented over 100 years ago, turbos & superchargers won WWII for us. They are VERY simple as used in our trucks....with ONE moving part......

Turbos in trucks last well over 400,000 miles before being rebuilt along with the diesel engine. Any questions on longevity can be answered with a little education.....period.

jeff

 

[Dakota4ce]

Well ford still sells multiple platforms powered by V8 powertrains and has said that their V8 is not going away so there are other avenues. Hopefully the 5.0 makes its way to the expy. Not to mention you can rebuild your motor or get a new one at that. There is always options.

I think I would bet a significant amount of money that we will never see a gasoline powered normally aspirated V8 in a Expedition ever again.
Maybe I would lose....but I like that bet.


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[JExpedition07]

I think I would bet a significant amount of money that we will never see a gasoline powered normally aspirated V8 in a Expedition ever again.
Maybe I would lose....but I like that bet.


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I’d bet you are correct, which is why I won’t be buying one, but who knows anything can happen. GM outsells ford tenfold in this segment, evidently people overwhelmingly vote V8 with their wallets. Ford used to have sizeable market share but it’s shrunken down I’ve the last few years and overall sales are down even further for 18’ from 17’ as per their own numbers. Different strokes for different folks as said, I won’t buy a V6, and you don’t have to buy a V8. That’s what’s great about this country, capitalism works and we can all buy what we want!

 

[Paddler]

I’d bet you are correct, which is why I won’t be buying one, but who knows anything can happen. GM outsells ford tenfold in this segment, evidently people overwhelmingly vote V8 with their wallets. Ford used to have sizeable market share but it’s shrunken down I’ve the last few years and overall sales are down even further for 18’ from 17’ as per their own numbers. Different strokes for different folks as said, I won’t buy a V6, and you don’t have to buy a V8. That’s what’s great about this country, capitalism works and we can all buy what we want!

Yep, to each his own. I've always been a late adopter and leery of turbos. But after driving mine, I'd never go back to a V8. Different strokes, but even an old curmudgeon like me eventually sees the light.

 

[Dakota4ce]

I’d bet you are correct, which is why I won’t be buying one, but who knows anything can happen. GM outsells ford tenfold in this segment, evidently people overwhelmingly vote V8 with their wallets. Ford used to have sizeable market share but it’s shrunken down I’ve the last few years and overall sales are down even further for 18’ from 17’ as per their own numbers. Different strokes for different folks as said, I won’t buy a V6, and you don’t have to buy a V8. That’s what’s great about this country, capitalism works and we can all buy what we want!

Let’s be real; Expedition has never been a viable competitor to the GM offerings, and it really has very little (i.e. nothing) to do with the engines. They were late to the party, with a less sexy product. Second mover in the segment.

You having an aversion to a turbo V6 in a truck is really just a personal quirk that you own on your own accord. There is not a rational sales based or evidence based reason for it. The F150 sales numbers would suggest that people have been willing to vote for turbocharged v6 engines “with their wallets” as you say.

Forced induction advancements have revolutionized autos on every level. To irrationally dismiss that is just kind of odd. But like you said, no big deal. You have your right to choose. It’s just that someday, if you wanna buy a new truck, you’re going to have to become estranged from the v8s of the 1990s.

And for the record I would happily buy a V8 if it worked well and, well, THEY ACTUALLY OFFERED IT. Performance is the key for me, not the technical description or engine design, or the exhaust sound, or nostalgia, or whatever. Just pull my damned trailer. That’s what I want.


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[Paddler]

I really don't understand why the GM offerings outsell the Expedition. I bought my first, a 1998, in part due to Consumer Reports rating it best in class. And my new Max outscores all the GM iterations by 65 to 53. But then again I don't understand how many people believe the things they do, either.

 

[JExpedition07]

Let’s be real; Expedition has never been a viable competitor to the GM offerings, and it really has very little (i.e. nothing) to do with the engines. They were late to the party, with a less sexy product. Second mover in the segment.

You having an aversion to a turbo V6 in a truck is really just a personal quirk that you own on your own accord. There is not a rational sales based or evidence based reason for it. The F150 sales numbers would suggest that people have been willing to vote for turbocharged v6 engines “with their wallets” as you say.

Forced induction advancements have revolutionized autos on every level. To irrationally dismiss that is just kind of odd. But like you said, no big deal. You have your right to choose. It’s just that someday, if you wanna buy a new truck, you’re going to have to become estranged from the v8s of the 1990s.

And for the record I would happily buy a V8 if it worked well and, well, THEY ACTUALLY OFFERED IT. Performance is the key for me, not the technical description or engine design, or the exhaust sound, or nostalgia, or whatever. Just pull my damned trailer. That’s what I want.


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There will always be a V8, you can’t even get a hd pickup with a V6 as it’s not even offered by ford or anyone else for that matter. All the big three offer are large displacement V8 motors in the truck segment and they keep updating them, minus light duty pickups. Ford doesn’t need to worry about the cafe regulations on the super duty unlike the F-150 though otherwise the 6.2L would still be the top option. Ford and GM have made their current V8s better and are only further developing them right along with the turbo options. The day the V8 is gone the V6 is gone too...... by then we are electrified.