2017 Water Leaks

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Looking for others who may have experienced the same...

I bought a brand new 2017 Expedition Limited back on March 28, 2017. After only driving it for three days we noticed the carpeting was soaked after driving through a rainstorm. We immediately brought it back to the dealer who found a leak by the driver side rear wheel well where the vehicle had never been welded when it was built. It spent the better part of the next month in the shop being repaired and supposedly dried out. When we did finally get it back, the carpeting was so wet that it was beginning to mold and there was corrosion on the metal surfaces on the interior of the truck. Also, it smelled like a middle school boys gym locker room. On May 4, the vehicle was swapped out under what we thought was the lemon law and replaced with an identical 2017 expedition. It turns out, our dealer handled it as if we were trading in one vehicle and purchasing another. That’s a different conversation for a different day.

About a month and a half into ownership of the second 2017, we came across our first rain storm. To our surprise, the second expedition also leaked water when it rained. Our dealership eventually discovered a leak around the moonroof (not plugged drains) and another leak by the driver side third row window. There was a steady stream of water that came in all the way around the moonroof and another one by that window in the back where there was a wave in the sheet metal. We got it back after it sat at the dealership for over a month and a half having repairs done to it. A couple weeks after we took possession back, it rained again and we realized the leaks were not completely repaired. We returned to the dealership but they refused to even look at it because they said they took it through their car wash and were not able to replicate the problem. I showed them video of the water leaking in as it rained and was able to corroborate this with puddles of water in the wells where the second row latches to the floor to access the third row. After fighting with them for several weeks I found another dealership that was willing to look at it for me. They verified that there were still significant leaks and accepted the vehicle for service. They had it for a few weeks and returned it to me but kept the service ticket open so we could make sure the repair was actually correct this time. It rained that very weekend and we found that the leaks were still there. After the dealer verified with ford that they should be attempting repair again we returned it. Ford put me into a 2017 expedition that they rented from enterprise. In the meantime, I asked ford to evaluate the truck for repurchase.

As luck would have it, it rained while I was driving the rental. To my extreme surprise, this one had a leak too! As I pulled out of my driveway one day my kids screamed at me to stop the truck. I looked back in time to see water pouring in from the a/c vents in the ceiling.

Fast forward to today, I am waiting on paperwork from the reacquired vehicles program. I need to know though, has anyone else had this problem? I’m convinced this is not an isolated incident seeing as I have had three of them with a significant leak. I’m sure there are more of them out there but maybe people don’t know it. If you’re driving one of these 2017 expeditions around, be sure to feel around your carpeting after going through rain. For me, it was most apparent when I put my fingers underneath the carpeting around those wells where you access the third row. The carpeting it self felt dry at times, but either there were puddles in those wells, or you could feel the water in the padding under the carpeting.

I would love to be in contact with you if you had similar experience...

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My Expedition is ten years old now and still dry as a bone every rain storm... carpet still feels and looks brand new and has never been wet like that. i don’t know why some of the new ones are having problems. No way water got in the HVAC runs in the headliner..... kind of calling BS there. That headliner would be totally crinkling up and falling apart and soaked by that time if it got that wet. The water shown in picture 3 is fine, it is not in the cab and just sitting on the well.
 
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Call BS all you want, if I could post the video of it on here I would. And the water in picture number 3 is what drips on me when I drive so no, it’s not fine. You don’t have to be rude, if you have no help to offer just keep scrolling. And for the record, I never had a problem with my ‘97, ‘01, or ‘14-just the ‘17’s.

My Expedition is ten years old now and still dry as a bone every rain storm... carpet still feels and looks brand new and has never been wet like that. i don’t know why some of the new ones are having problems. No way water got in the HVAC runs in the headliner..... kind of calling BS there. That headliner would be totally crinkling up and falling apart by that time if it got that wet.
 

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Not being rude at all just trying to think it through, what are you showing in the second picture? So the leaks were occurring around the moonroof and rear window on your unit correct? There have been a few others on here with water concerns... im wondering if Ford cheaped out on weatherstripping. I’m sure more people will chime in but if your truck really has all those leaks it sounds like the path your taking is the correct one on getting ford to take it back.
 
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Corrosion on the interior of the passenger cabin caused by all the moisture.
 

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Jesus you weren’t kidding.... my apologies... that is a textbook lemon...those leaks are serious and i think Ford needs to take that truck back ASAP if they won’t fix it for you. That headliner is getting serious water in it, which is an indication of bad body sealant up above or the moonroof seal that actually seals the unit to the truck is no good. Both of which on a brand new truck are serious repairs and not small jobs.
 
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I don’t think that it’s only a weatherstripping issue. This last go around in the shop found a third leak somewhere in the bed of the body along another seam.
Not being rude at all just trying to think it through, what are you showing in the second picture? So the leaks were occurring around the moonroof and rear window on your unit correct? There have been a few others on here with water concerns... im wondering if Ford cheaped out on weatherstripping. I’m sure more people will chime in but if your truck really has all those leaks it sounds like the path your taking is the correct one on getting ford to take it back.
 

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We have a 17, no issues as far as leaking!

Good Luck! They should be buying back and paying you for your trouble. That is completely uncalled for!
 

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I have a 2015 Expediton Limited 4x4 - purchased new. Although I've had numerous defects repaired under warranty, there has been no water leaks.

My advice to you would be to contact an attorney that specializes in "lemon law" issues in your state.

You've been through too many problems, delays, inconvenience, vehicles switches, etc.

I have gone through two repurchase / buy-back actions with GM - an attorney will get their attention and action for you.

Good luck.
 

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I have 17 Limited EL that we have owned since February. We have none of the problems that you have reported. I do get a little water on the driver's side sill during a heavy rain storm, It has happened 2-3 times. I take my truck through the car wash at least once if not twice a week and have no water from the sun roof. I've not noticed any water on the carpet anywhere else.

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My 2017 Expedition Limited with Sunroof has had 0 moisture problems since August purchase. I have had major issues in the past with other brands with leaks so I know the aggrevation try to find one built in a different time of the year if you get another exchange offered
 

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I have a 17 bought new last year and I have no leaks. I do get water in the same spot as Andy after a good rain storm though.

Sorry I cant be of any help. Looks like you've documented everything pretty well. Id visit with an attorney and when it comes time to settle get Ford to pay the attorney fees
 

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'17 Lmtd bought 11/16.....roughly 28,000 miles....no runs, no drips, no errors...unless you count the deer.....but no issues of ANY kind.

Guys, don't ALL the Lmtd's come with the sunroof? I thought so anyway...

I could not be happier honestly....it's a truck, not a car but after driving that Santa Fe rental for a couple weeks.....GOD I like my truck!

I feel for you though, my '03EB rained more inside than out! I injected 5 tubes of silicon caulk on either side of the windshield.....no more leaks.

I can't comment on the OP's honesty since I do not know them.....I can only comment on the words written. I DO know however that after the tons of research I did prior to dropping some serious (to me) money on a truck, I've NEVER heard of your issues with the last body prior to Gen II. Maybe I've missed them all? Certainly possible......but I have a pretty good habit of noticing what doesn't belong in this group....carryover from 2nd grade no doubt. I'm just teasing, hope you're able to find recourse soon.


FWIW: I've had mine for a year....I wash it at home and I have a well so my water runs without regard for cost (sorry treehuggers)...and I flood the roof when washing...and do it often. I drive approx 46 miles each way...in suburban DC...I hit every kind of traffic and storms like everyone else....nada, not a drop and believe me, after my '03, I checked!

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'17 Lmtd bought 11/16.....roughly 28,000 miles....no runs, no drips, no errors...unless you count the deer.....but no issues of ANY kind.

Guys, don't ALL the Lmtd's come with the sunroof? I thought so anyway...

jeff

If I'm not mistaken the sunroof comes with the 301A option package and I don't think they sell many if any without it because it gives you all of the other goodies.
 

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Double checked my 2017 Limited today after a gullywasher (but no snow) in South Alabama, build date in February. Looked over interior with flashlight, all carpet and headliner dry as a bone! (knock on wood)
 

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The shell of the truck dates back to 2003. Lots and lots of cosmetic and mechanical changes since then, but the shell remains the same. My 2008 sunroof will work 100% in an 03 and work 100% in a 17. Largely assembled/welded/sealed by robotics.

2003 model year to end of 2017 production, for the US and Canadian markets alone Ford made 755,700 Expeditions. Navigator since 03, US + CAN, add another 255,791. Thats 1M+ units, split between just two assembly lines. And you found 3 in a row leaking water, each from a different location no less? Not buying it for a minute.

The first one leaked, I'll give you that. Quality control is what it is and sometimes things just happen. The dealer probably did put wet carpet padding back in and they shouldn't have, I would have raised holy hell too. I too probably would have locked my heels onto the showroom floor and demanded a replacement truck. Something tells me the trade-in and not a buyback is the pink elephant in the room. How much negative equity did this replacement truck cost ya?

I can take pictures of water puddled in mine, just tell me where you'd like it see em.
 
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As I said before if you don’t have any help to offer why don’t you just keep on scrolling. You can take your *******-ishness elsewhere because I don’t need it. As far as the trade being the problem you can shove it-it didn’t create any negative equity because the loan was a wash. The fact of the matter is yes, I have had three vehicles that are actively leaking water. I have video proof of this as well as a dealership who was able to see it themselves and are also backing me up with Ford. Like I said, if you’re not here to offer help take your playground bullying elsewhere, it’s not going to hurt my feelings and you’re just making yourself look like an ass.

The shell of the truck dates back to 2003. Lots and lots of cosmetic and mechanical changes since then, but the shell remains the same. My 2008 sunroof will work 100% in an 03 and work 100% in a 17. Largely assembled/welded/sealed by robotics.

2003 model year to end of 2017 production, for the US and Canadian markets alone Ford made 755,700 Expeditions. Navigator since 03, US + CAN, add another 255,791. Thats 1M+ units, split between just two assembly lines. And you found 3 in a row leaking water, each from a different location no less? Not buying it for a minute.

The first one leaked, I'll give you that. Quality control is what it is and sometimes things just happen. The dealer probably did put wet carpet padding back in and they shouldn't have, I would have raised holy hell too. I too probably would have locked my heels onto the showroom floor and demanded a replacement truck. Something tells me the trade-in and not a buyback is the pink elephant in the room. How much negative equity did this replacement truck cost ya?

I can take pictures of water puddled in mine, just tell me where you'd like it see em.
 

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Have ford buy back your Expedition and go buy a suburban. It must be something unique to the way you use the truck that causes the problem. After round 3 it’s time to leave the brand anyway, sorry but it’s true, if i had three leakers no way in hell would i want to buy another, id be going to chevy. I’ve never had a Ford leak, even though personally I’ve owned three vehicles as I’m in my twenties. 02 explorer which i ran for years, my 07 Expedition and my 13’ pickup truck with the diesel 6.7. None of them have ever leaked. Not saying you don’t have a problem all I’m saying is if you’ve had three it’s time to look elsewhere. I was a kid when these were redesigned in 03 and we are 14 years later as stated with the same parts, nothing’s changed so they didn’t magically start having part failures now, the parts have stood the test of time.
 
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Guys, get off her back. Ya’ll are being twits! Ever think a shipment to the same geographical area might have had an issue? All loaded or came off Assembly close to each other and quality control was sleeping that Friday Afternoon.

She isn’t making this up, she has no reason to.

She had REALLY bad luck. It happens.

Nothing she appears to be doing since she has owned 3 Expy’s before the first 17 would be causing this. Go back under your rock.

She is looking for help, not your judgement.
 
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