Ugh_J
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Holy hell that's a lot of weights.
2024 expedition vibration
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All. Please before you spend money on new tires like I did bought Micheline LTX defender per dealer recommendation—
Go drive any other 2024 expedition or any Lincoln Navigator.
You will see that they all have the same vibration at speed above 75. It’s most pronounced at 82 and above.
Tires and RFB won’t address the problem.
Search the forums 2024 navigator vibrations. Comes up same issue here.
If you don’t drive over 75 you will be fine it is manageable.
Ford doesn’t warranty above 70. Dealer has vibration machine they showed it is coming from rear part of vehicle. We looked at 3 new expeditions all have same thing.
I am taking mine to a custom shop as the I had tires replaced swapped wheels too and the shaft balanced.
Custom shop will replace shaft with steel and adjust pin angles as factory is .7 or more. Nowhere near 0.
I will also try insulate the floor pans with Dynamat. Not sure if that will do anything.
I escalated to ford directly. They said this is an unfortunate known consequence of the smooth ride quality of the IRS of the aluminum body on frame design.
Please just drive other 2024 expeditions or navigators and put hand on door panel at 79-85. Before buying.
Hate to see folks waste money on tires for no reason.
Fyi I did RFB at two dealers and discount tire all after replacing with Micheline ltx.
And went through three that failed. It doesn’t solve issue.
Has anyone tried a steel after market shaft? Or shims to adjust pin angle?
Go drive any other 2024 expedition or any Lincoln Navigator.
You will see that they all have the same vibration at speed above 75. It’s most pronounced at 82 and above.
Tires and RFB won’t address the problem.
Search the forums 2024 navigator vibrations. Comes up same issue here.
If you don’t drive over 75 you will be fine it is manageable.
Ford doesn’t warranty above 70. Dealer has vibration machine they showed it is coming from rear part of vehicle. We looked at 3 new expeditions all have same thing.
I am taking mine to a custom shop as the I had tires replaced swapped wheels too and the shaft balanced.
Custom shop will replace shaft with steel and adjust pin angles as factory is .7 or more. Nowhere near 0.
I will also try insulate the floor pans with Dynamat. Not sure if that will do anything.
I escalated to ford directly. They said this is an unfortunate known consequence of the smooth ride quality of the IRS of the aluminum body on frame design.
Please just drive other 2024 expeditions or navigators and put hand on door panel at 79-85. Before buying.
Hate to see folks waste money on tires for no reason.
Fyi I did RFB at two dealers and discount tire all after replacing with Micheline ltx.
And went through three that failed. It doesn’t solve issue.
Has anyone tried a steel after market shaft? Or shims to adjust pin angle?
A couple of weeks ago prior to buying the ST we test drove a 24 timberline. Ran it to 90 on the interstate with no vibration of any kind. Fyi this was a 4X4 don't know if that has anything to do with the vibration some are having.
I'm reading about the pinion angle but haven't read anything about anyone putting a dial indicator on an axle.
I'm reading about the pinion angle but haven't read anything about anyone putting a dial indicator on an axle.
RazrM5
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Thanks for very informative post. Pardon my Swahili but ain’t this some sht…
So basically there is no recourse for the ability to drive over 73 MPH and a $90,000 vehicle with a high output, twin turbo V6 without suffering vibration??
I feel like taking the car back to the dealership right now and just have them buy it back from me.
To think that I purposely bought this large vehicle because of the notion, I’m driving at high speeds without something exactly like this.
Which of the larger performance SUVs in this class would drive better?
Feeling class-action vibes.. if there are any areas in the country where the speed limit is 75 or above, then the warranty should be in play. We should not be restricted of where to drive because the speed limit is under 75 — without symptoms..
Ugh_J
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That's some next-level chicanery right there. My 2020 has been up to 117mph in Mexico with zero vibration. My parents' 2022 had no factory vibration up to about 85 (we didn't go faster), and still doesn't after swapping the factory 22's out for some 18's with Michelin Defender LTX mounted.
I suspect you're right about pinion angle, though not sure replacing the drive shaft is relevant to that. Pinion angle adjustment should (not an expert) be independent of drive shaft type/material.
2018ExpyPlatinum
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Well, this is yet another dog head tilt from Ford. Mine is smooth as glass all the way up to, well, let's just say to as fast as it goes. Never had any vibration....ever. When did this start and why is it happening? What changed? I had Hankooks as OEM and then put on Michelin Defender LTX M/S2 at about 61,000 miles. No vibration issues. Another Ford situation that they are turning their back on? I hope Ford reads this, as yet again, another reason not to buy another Ford. I've thought about a 2025 Explorer or Expedition, a Navigator, or a Aviator. Nope, never mind.
PS...I'll still NEVER buy Generals and for anyone looking for new tires, those Michelin's are really, really nice.
PS...I'll still NEVER buy Generals and for anyone looking for new tires, those Michelin's are really, really nice.
RazrM5
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Talk about making someone paranoid about everything now. Is the steering wheel supposed to be offset like this? I feel as though it is the steering shaft that is uneven actually.
Same on my new 2024 xlt. I asked Ford dealership to conduct an alignment to correct it. It was done within 10k miles and covered by Ford factory warranty.
24ExpMaxLtd
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@GregTu did you experience any vibration before noticing the failed shock? I'm two weeks in to my new 2024 Exp Max Ltd and its been vibrating's from day one at speeds 30mph+. Road fore balancing did nothing so dealer is chalking up to bad batch of General Grabber tires and replacing with a new set later this week, but I've been wondering if it could be a OEM shock problem.
24ExpMaxLtd
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@rd618 did the Michelin's fix your vibration issue? I'm two weeks in to my new 2024 Exp Max Ltd and its been vibrating's from day one at speeds 30mph+. Road fore balancing did nothing so dealer is chalking up to bad batch of General Grabber tires and replacing with a new General Grabber set later this week.
24ExpMaxLtd
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@armoredsaint what kind of tires are you running with? Have you been able to identify the culprit and fix it? I'm two weeks in to my new 2024 Exp Max Ltd and its been vibrating's from day one at speeds 30mph+. Road force balancing did nothing so dealer is chalking up to bad batch of General Grabber tires and replacing with a new set later this week.
24ExpMaxLtd
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@fordtruck I'm two weeks in to my new 2024 Exp Max Ltd and its been vibrating's from day one at speeds 30mph+. Road force balancing did nothing so dealer is chalking up to bad batch of General Grabber tires and replacing with a new set later this week....hoping that magically fixes it but so far my $81K MSRP vehicle is riding worse than a horse and carriage
RazrM5
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I am meeting with Sales manager on Wed. I will 'encourage' her to swap the Grabbers for Michelin Defender LTX MS/2's. I will ask for the dealership to cover the cost. My floor is paying the difference between the credit for the Grabbers and the Michelin's. My guy in service showed me $294 as their cost and will sell to me at $312 each which will include mount and balance.
If the VIBRATION is not corrected with the Defenders... I will escalate to the GM and Ford Regional. I have already been in contact with a private mechanic who is a patient of mine -- as double backup.
24ExpMaxLtd
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Interested to hear what they say. You may already be aware but the ford bumper to bumper warranty and General’s new car tire warranty both cover replacing tires with the same as OEM but potentially with different tires if dealer gets Ford’s approval first. Dealer is replacing my Grabbers with Grabbers in hopes it’s quick fix but if it doesn’t fix vibration they said they’ll seek approval to replace again with Michelins….this is all assuming tires are the problem which is questionable based on all the threads I’ve read here.
RazrM5
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‘24 Expy Stealth is currently on a lift for a re-balance as it was pulling hard left. They opened a new ticket. The top manager in the dealership was on hold with Ford for 37 minutes and did not reach anyone. He also made some phone calls to some other individuals who explained course of action. They have one person in their back pocket who is supposedly very high up in Ford — if they need to make that contact but are trying to put all ducks in a row before that because they know this person will ask them if they did that.
Discussed swapping out the tires as per warranty and trying to get Michelin‘s with approval from Ford. We are close to that step now. I made sure to mention that there is a lot of chatter regarding possibility of the IRS/drive shaft/pinion/Caliber being an issue on top of the shotty tires.
Discussed swapping out the tires as per warranty and trying to get Michelin‘s with approval from Ford. We are close to that step now. I made sure to mention that there is a lot of chatter regarding possibility of the IRS/drive shaft/pinion/Caliber being an issue on top of the shotty tires.
24ExpMaxLtd
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@RazrM5 the similarities our vehicles are having is too much of a coincidence - rough ride and pulling left. Mine has no improvement despite balance and subsequent RFB…a new set of Generals are going on tomorrow under warranty. Glad to hear your dealer is pursuing getting Mich instead of Generals.
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I have a 2022 Max Stealth Performance, and it's vibrated 75 mph+ right from day 1. I've had more tire balances than I can count and three different sets of wheels and tires (two aftermarket winter tires/wheel sets and the stock 22" grabbers) with no improvement. The dealer just always says the usual. They can't test over the speed limit (which is 60mph all around the dealer) and they can't feel the issue.
It has CCD and does ride rough. I would call it "jittery" - like it's overdamped. The smallest road imperfection causes the vehicle to start jittering. I've been down freshly-paved highways that are butter smooth on every other vehicle, but mine's always jittering around.
Riley
I have a 2022 Max Stealth Performance, and it's vibrated 75 mph+ right from day 1. I've had more tire balances than I can count and three different sets of wheels and tires (two aftermarket winter tires/wheel sets and the stock 22" grabbers) with no improvement. The dealer just always says the usual. They can't test over the speed limit (which is 60mph all around the dealer) and they can't feel the issue.
It has CCD and does ride rough. I would call it "jittery" - like it's overdamped. The smallest road imperfection causes the vehicle to start jittering. I've been down freshly-paved highways that are butter smooth on every other vehicle, but mine's always jittering around.
Riley
24ExpMaxLtd
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@Skud jittery is the word! My two week old 24 Max Limited (no CCD) has been nothing but jittery with some pulling to the left since day one but at any speed over 30mph+...balanced and RFB with no improvement. Better on newly paved roads and awful on any road that isn't perfect - kids in 2nd row booster seats think I paid extra for massaging chairs due to the vibration...I'm somewhat glad to hear yours is the same even with CCD - I started to think I should have made sure I got one with CCD but sounds like it would not have made a difference.
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