5 star and drive modes

[66nova]

I’m sorry if this has been covered, but i searched and didn’t find it. I’m wanting to do a 5 star tune. How does it affect drive modes? Can they tune the 10 sp? I plan on a 93 octane tune, but can normal be a daily tune and sport be a more radical tune? I tow, so I want tow/haul left intact.

I have had almost all of my vehicles custom tuned, but none have had this many drive modes.


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[LokiWolf]

I’m sorry if this has been covered, but i searched and didn’t find it. I’m wanting to do a 5 star tune. How does it affect drive modes? Can they tune the 10 sp? I plan on a 93 octane tune, but can normal be a daily tune and sport be a more radical tune? I tow, so I want tow/haul left intact.

I have had almost all of my vehicles custom tuned, but none have had this many drive modes.


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Power is the same across modes. Shifting and throttle response are modified across modes.

I am not a 5 Star fan. Our 2020 is tuned by ZFG.

Here was our Stock 2020 Limited Max 4x4 Special Edition on 22’s on a E85(Stock Pump) ZFG tune. No mixing, cheaper fillups, more power, but less MPG’s.




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[66nova]

I’m new to ford and the eco boost. The stock pump and injectors handle E85 without an issue?

We have it here, but have to drive a bit to get it.


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[LokiWolf]

I’m new to ford and the eco boost. The stock pump and injectors handle E85 without an issue?

We have it here, but have to drive a bit to get it.


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Yes they can handle it, but it is a detuned E85 tune. To make full use of E85 on these motors you need to have an aftermarket pump. E50 tuned is faster and gets more power, but you have to Mix. This E85 tune gets you more power than a 93 Tune, less than an E50 tune, but no mixing like E50. Makes it easy.

Search on here. I did a thread explaining it all with more info.


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[Sunflowergirl]

I’m sorry if this has been covered, but i searched and didn’t find it. I’m wanting to do a 5 star tune. How does it affect drive modes? Can they tune the 10 sp? I plan on a 93 octane tune, but can normal be a daily tune and sport be a more radical tune? I tow, so I want tow/haul left intact.

I have had almost all of my vehicles custom tuned, but none have had this many drive modes.


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Yes they can tune the shit outta your 10 speed expedition, they actually on two of them! Very impressive, you can get a 93 perf and 93 perf tow, each will be calibrated to what they are used for, but I must note it’s important when you get your tunes that you datalog them so they can be revised and dialed in by 5 star which is free. 10 speeds really do well with an Ngauge tuner. Your drive modes are all accounted for in their tuning. Perf tow for towing or daily driving, perf only for when you want to make people cry as the grocery getter is walking em!

also as Loki stated, you can go into ethanol blends but mixing is required for full potential. It’s not too hard after you donit a few times, and the gains are there. I went from a 93 perf on revision 7.11 to an e30 tune and the difference is ridiculous!

 

[Allan Villa]

Hi I am new here. Literally new with ford let alone with ecoboost and tuning. I have a 2020 Expy Plat Max. I am texting with a ZFG guy right now asking him a package for daily driving and towing with regards to the octane rating here in Canada. Any input from you will be appreciated. Thanks!

 

[Sunflowergirl]

Hi I am new here. Literally new with ford let alone with ecoboost and tuning. I have a 2020 Expy Plat Max. I am texting with a ZFG guy right now asking him a package for daily driving and towing with regards to the octane rating here in Canada. Any input from you will be appreciated. Thanks!

Suck it up and get the highest octane you can. You’ll be happier. Also, not a fan of ZFG, I prefer 5 star tuning

 

[LokiWolf]

Hi I am new here. Literally new with ford let alone with ecoboost and tuning. I have a 2020 Expy Plat Max. I am texting with a ZFG guy right now asking him a package for daily driving and towing with regards to the octane rating here in Canada. Any input from you will be appreciated. Thanks!

ZFG! So far, I am not aware of a Stock 4x4 Max running the numbers I am.

Adam is probably who you are talking to, and you will not be disappointed.

5 Star is fine. The issue is that they limit themselves by using the NGuage. It’s logging capability is limited in comparison to the MPVI2 or RTD that ZFG sells. 5 Star does adjust based on logging, but they are limited in what they can see.

Remember Octane is not all that matters. Ethanol is important. On these motors you can tune for more power with 87 with E10, vs 91 with E0. Ethanol has other advantages other than an increased Octane level. I know in many parts of Canada they have gone to using E0 Premium(91-93). That is not good for these motors.


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[LokiWolf]

If you have any questions about ZFG, Livernois, or HyperTech yell. I have used all 3 on my 2020, and on my 17.

I am on my 5th vehicle tuned by ZFG. Can’t recommend them enough, I just like to check out some of the competition.


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[StealthyBulldog]

Remember Octane is not all that matters. Ethanol is important. On these motors you can tune for more power with 87 with E10, vs 91 with E0. Ethanol has other advantages other than an increased Octane level. I know in many parts of Canada they have gone to using E0 Premium(91-93). That is not good for these motors.


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Interesting. So here in Canada what is done at MOST stations that only offer the 3 tiers of fuel (87, 89, 91) is they only get two types of fuel 87 that is mandated to have 10% Ethanol, and 91 which is ethanol free. Then the pumps themselves have a blender unit in it so if you choose 89 it blends the two together so you would get around 5% ethanol.

Years ago when Husky was the only station selling fuel with ethanol the refineries were only producing 87 as the lowest octane rating, so then Husky would add their 10% Ethanol and it would be a 90 octane regular fuel. Once the government mandated ethanol fuel the refineries were able to use an 85 octane base and add ethanol to get an 87 octane rating.

So from factory, no mods, no tunes, are you saying that I shouldn't be running 91 premium? We used to run a Husky station, before and after the ethanol mandate which is why I know about it.

 

[Sunflowergirl]

Interesting. So here in Canada what is done at MOST stations that only offer the 3 tiers of fuel (87, 89, 91) is they only get two types of fuel 87 that is mandated to have 10% Ethanol, and 91 which is ethanol free. Then the pumps themselves have a blender unit in it so if you choose 89 it blends the two together so you would get around 5% ethanol.

Years ago when Husky was the only station selling fuel with ethanol the refineries were only producing 87 as the lowest octane rating, so then Husky would add their 10% Ethanol and it would be a 90 octane regular fuel. Once the government mandated ethanol fuel the refineries were able to use an 85 octane base and add ethanol to get an 87 octane rating.

So from factory, no mods, no tunes, are you saying that I shouldn't be running 91 premium? We used to run a Husky station, before and after the ethanol mandate which is why I know about it.

Yes I have always run 93 octane since day one both tuned and stock

 

[LokiWolf]

Interesting. So here in Canada what is done at MOST stations that only offer the 3 tiers of fuel (87, 89, 91) is they only get two types of fuel 87 that is mandated to have 10% Ethanol, and 91 which is ethanol free. Then the pumps themselves have a blender unit in it so if you choose 89 it blends the two together so you would get around 5% ethanol.

Years ago when Husky was the only station selling fuel with ethanol the refineries were only producing 87 as the lowest octane rating, so then Husky would add their 10% Ethanol and it would be a 90 octane regular fuel. Once the government mandated ethanol fuel the refineries were able to use an 85 octane base and add ethanol to get an 87 octane rating.

So from factory, no mods, no tunes, are you saying that I shouldn't be running 91 premium? We used to run a Husky station, before and after the ethanol mandate which is why I know about it.

Honestly it depends on what your goal is. Power or MPG. I discussed this a lot in my fuel thread.

Basically, if you want the best MPG, High Octane with 0% Ethanol. If you want the best power, The highest Octane you can get that has Ethanol 10% or higher. On stock tune, going above 20% Ethanol gains you nothing.

Basically most people only think Ethanol's only advantage is the Octane, and that 91 Octane E0, and 91 Octane E10, will generate the same power. Not true. The additional cooling effects. Ethanol burns slower, and will burn more completely, end up creating more power, even though it has less energy per gallon. I could go deeper if you want, but I hope that makes sense.

 

[LokiWolf]

Yes I have always run 93 octane since day one both tuned and stock

The issue is in Canada, a lot of their premium fuels(91-93) are now Ethanol Free. From a power standpoint that is bad.

 

[Sunflowergirl]

The issue is in Canada, a lot of their premium fuels(91-93) are now Ethanol Free. From a power standpoint that is bad.

Ohhhh yeah

 

[66nova]

Thank you for all the replies!

Another question. I have read mixed reviews on this.

Have any of your tuners recommended removing the turbo silencers in the intakes? I have seen numbers where it gained and lost power. I would like to hear the turbos, but not at the cost of power.


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[LokiWolf]

Thank you for all the replies!

Another question. I have read mixed reviews on this.

Have any of your tuners recommended removing the turbo silencers in the intakes? I have seen numbers where it gained and lost power. I would like to hear the turbos, but not at the cost of power.


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Just leave them alone, if you are leaving the stock tubes.

 

[Sunflowergirl]

Thank you for all the replies!

Another question. I have read mixed reviews on this.

Have any of your tuners recommended removing the turbo silencers in the intakes? I have seen numbers where it gained and lost power. I would like to hear the turbos, but not at the cost of power.


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They don’t really matter, I ditched mine. But aerodynamic engineers on here will compare an expedition to a massive aircraft and say we need them. These were first thing to come out on both my expeditions