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What's up everyone. I'm gearing up for my Spring Break trip to FLA...visiting 6 colleges in 5 days. FSU, UF, CFU, TU, USF, and Miami. I'm torn between 2 radar dector brands...Beltronics and Passport. Does anyone have any of these radars? Which model? What are your recommendations? Please Advise...
 

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Haha, you're going to have to get much more specific than that. A couple questions:

1 (Important) - What's your price limit?
2. Have you used one before?
3. What kind of features do you like/want?

I'll make another post (lengthy) giving you some info.
 

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A couple things...

-Passport is a line of detectors from Escort Radar.
-Escort and Beltronics are essentially the same company.
-They have various models, all depending on what your answer is to question 1.

Know that there are different "forms of usage" of radar, constant on and instant on. Constant on is where the officer leaves his radar gun on, listening to the Doppler tone/visually seeing the display. Most radar detectors will "protect you" from this sort of usage.

There is also instant on, where they will wait until a vehicle of interest comes into range/view, and they turn on the radar (or release the hold button). Normally, the better detectors give decent protection against this by having the "range" to detect when these bursts of radar are used on motorists ahead of you.

Know that there is also laser, which is used rather extensively in parts of Florida. A radar detector will off you very little protection against this. It might detect it, but if the officer is any good with a laser gun (also depends on the laser gun itself), he should have your speed in less than a second, especially on a vehicle as large as the Expedition.

Know that UF and Gainsville police, as well as in Tampa and FHP do use laser, so keep that in mind

Know that FHP sometimes does do airplane patrols on sections of I75. You can usually tell where by the signs, and the white lines across the road (some places use diamonds on the shoulder).

Know that FHP uses Ka band of radar almost exclusively (mainly 34.7 Stalker units, though a lot of newer cars use 35.5 Kustom guns). A lot of the LEOs in general use Ka band, with a couple counties still using a few K band guns. As far as I know, X band is not used.

This is a rather basic run down. I'll add more info depending on what you are looking at.

BTW, what schools are CFU and TU? Do you mean UCF (not sure on TU)?

Oh yea, forgot to add, I used to have the Passport X50, then moved on to my current Bel STI. My dad has a Bel V965, while my sis has a Bel V940.
 
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Haha, you're going to have to get much more specific than that. A couple questions:

1 (Important) - What's your price limit?
2. Have you used one before?
3. What kind of features do you like/want?

I'll make another post (lengthy) giving you some info.

ANSWERS:

1. $500
2. Yes, not Escort or Beltronics
3. 360 protection, VG-2/Spectre immunity, GPS (50/50), hardwire ability, POP protection, long range detection, minimize false alerts
 
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A couple things...

-Passport is a line of detectors from Escort Radar.
-Escort and Beltronics are essentially the same company.
-They have various models, all depending on what your answer is to question 1.

Know that there are different "forms of usage" of radar, constant on and instant on. Constant on is where the officer leaves his radar gun on, listening to the Doppler tone/visually seeing the display. Most radar detectors will "protect you" from this sort of usage.

There is also instant on, where they will wait until a vehicle of interest comes into range/view, and they turn on the radar (or release the hold button). Normally, the better detectors give decent protection against this by having the "range" to detect when these bursts of radar are used on motorists ahead of you.

Know that there is also laser, which is used rather extensively in parts of Florida. A radar detector will off you very little protection against this. It might detect it, but if the officer is any good with a laser gun (also depends on the laser gun itself), he should have your speed in less than a second, especially on a vehicle as large as the Expedition.

Know that UF and Gainsville police, as well as in Tampa and FHP do use laser, so keep that in mind

Know that FHP sometimes does do airplane patrols on sections of I75. You can usually tell where by the signs, and the white lines across the road (some places use diamonds on the shoulder).

Know that FHP uses Ka band of radar almost exclusively (mainly 34.7 Stalker units, though a lot of newer cars use 35.5 Kustom guns). A lot of the LEOs in general use Ka band, with a couple counties still using a few K band guns. As far as I know, X band is not used.

This is a rather basic run down. I'll add more info depending on what you are looking at.

BTW, what schools are CFU and TU? Do you mean UCF (not sure on TU)?

Oh yea, forgot to add, I used to have the Passport X50, then moved on to my current Bel STI. My dad has a Bel V965, while my sis has a Bel V940.

thanks for the info...i've been looking at the STi and Escorts Red Line...I lived in FLA for 7yrs...lived in Fort Walton Beach (Eglin AFB)...wife is from St. Augustine...i'm familiar with FHP along I-10, I-95, I-75, and I-4...havent been there in 18 months...1 yr in afghanistan and 6 mos in VA...

lol...yeah i meant UCF...TU is Tampa University...wanted to squeeze USF in but we will have to do that during the summer (end of)...dont know what your schedule will be like the 1st week in April...but we'll be resting in Sanford...not pole jocking, but we could meet up to put a face to names...maybe fix a thing or two on my truck if youre willing...LOL

so far its the STi or Red Line...
 

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I'm guessing either a Cobra or Whistler? It is generally held that Cobras are junk, with some of the nicer Whistlers being somewhat decent.

Either way, you can get a lot of radar detector for 500 bones.

A couple things on your answer to #3.
-360 protection: Gimmick, usually by Cobra. Technically, the only radar detector to offer true "360 protection" would be the Valentine 1, with it's front and rear antenna. All other detectors have only a front antenna. Now this doesn't mean they won't detect if a LEO comes up from behind, since the radar will bounce off items ahead of you and get detected by this front antenna. It's just the dedicated rear antenna will probably detect it first.

Most encounters you'll see around here will be the LEO driving towards you, or them chillin' on the side, shooting oncoming cars (through their front or rear antennas).

-Radar detector detector (RDD) immunity is a bit unnecessary here in FL since they are not illegal (unless you're driving a big rig.) Now, I do see you drive over in VA (illegal to have RD) where they have up to the Spectre 4. Either way, the Redline and STi are both immune to that, as well as the 9500CI and STI-R, both of which are a lot more expensive and require in car installs.

Most other detectors (with the exception of some of the Whistlers) are detectable starting at around 500-900 feet, with some of the real cheap ones being detectable at thousands of feet.

-GPS. Do you want this to mute alerts based on speed? This is only possible with the 9500CI, the 9500i and 9500ix. The cool thing about this is that they also have a nice database with other things like red light cameras (which they do have for sure in downtown Orlando and Winter Springs). Do you have a stand alone GPS or phone with GPS where you could load Trapster? If you don't know what Trapster is, look it up...it's pretty cool. You'll probably have to set it to let you know only on the high priority stuff since a lot of people like to label traffic lights with traffic cameras as red light cameras, so it sometimes goes off nonstop.

There is, alternatively "add on" GPS items that mute your RD based on speed like the Cheetah and NavAlert.

-All of the "good" detectors are hardwireable. The newer (last ~4 years) Escort and Beltronics, as well as the V1, use a phone cord wire as the power wire. Depending on the model you get, it may or may not come with a hardwire kit. You can always get another, especially the "nicer" one, which comes with the mute button, so you don't have to reach up to mute.

-POP protection. POP was a mode offered only on MPH Industries guns. It is not a valid form of speed detection. Personally, I keep mine off, as it lessens false alerts from other detectors. Oh yea, just so you know, cheaper detectors like to "leak" radiation, which sometimes happens to fall in the Ka band. This is sometimes picked up by detectors (less so with the more expensive ones).

-Long range. For the longest time, the V1 was the king in range. Now, the Redline beats it in most bands. Either way, the range provided by any of the top detectors will be vastly superior to that offered by the Cobras and cheaper Whistlers, especially here in Florida. With my STI and X50, I've picked up constant on Ka from 3-4 miles away. Obviously, curves, large amounts of trees and traffic can affect range, though it should still prove to be plenty.

-Minimizing false alerts. I'm guess this is for in city driving? The problem with having long range is that it means they are also very sensitive. Yes, they have City modes which helps a little, but most of them will still be going off in the city. Pretty much the only way to reduce false alerts is with, say, a 9500ix which can vary the sensitivity of the detector based on your speed.

Either way, almost all your falses will be on the X and K band. As I said in my other post, you can pretty much turn off X band here in Florida, though remember to turn it back on when you cross into neighboring states, as they may still use it.

I know with the V1, you can program the rear antenna to completely "mute" K band for 30 seconds or and unlimited amount of time. If there is one thing I like about the V1, is that you can set up both the normal alert****and muted alert volume. The Escort and Beltronics detectors have an automute (if you so choose), where it alerts at your set volume for 3-4 seconds, then continues alerting a half volume. Sometimes I wish I could set the automute volume lower so I can moniter the alert, but not have it be obnoxious to my passengers.

I know you hadn't really considered the V1, but I figured I'd let you know a little about each of the high end detectors. Oh, almost forgot. With the V1, you'll have the best laser detector out of all of them. Now, as I said in my earlier post, with laser, they'll probably have your speed before you're able to scrub any real speed, but if you want to know you got hit, the V1 will let you know. Now, this is also a problem since it will also alert laser when you come across any vehicles with a laser assisted cruise control, or some vehicles with bright LED tail lights.

Sorry for another lengthy post :p In the end, you'll have to weigh the features that you want, but none of the high end RDs will be a "bad choice". Out of the Redline and STi, I think the Redline has slightly more range on paper, though in real world, they're about the same.

I do know the Redline is now on Amazon for 394, shipped free if you have Prime, so that might sway your decision. I guess you could use the money saved to buy the hardwire kit, since it seems they only come with the 12V mute plug adapter. As I said, the 10 dollar one is the basic, power only kit, where as the 29 dollar one comes with a mute button and an alert LED (in red or blue, whichever you order).

The power cord with mute is long enough to have the detector sit above the mirror, run the cord down the driver A pillar, cross under the steering tape power under the center console. I put the mute "module" sticking out of the crevice where the console meets the dash, so the mute button was within easy reach.
 

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Where I used to have my X50
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Moved it up a little (notice use of generic phone cord)

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STI
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Oh, and you'll probably want to take down your radar detector every time you leave your car. It might be a pain at first, but it keeps it out of the sun and out of site of people looking for a 5 finger discount.

Also, you might want to consider getting the extended 2 year (for a total of 3) warranty from Escort for 30 bucks. I know some of the earlier models of the Redline had trouble with heat, though I think they fixed that. I'd get the warranty just as a precaution, especially considering the price. The card comes with the new detector, and they give you a few weeks to get it. The same goes for the STI, or any new detector from Escort or Beltronics.
 
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IMPORTANT NOTE: Windshield heaters such as Ford’s InstaClear® block radar from passing through the glass (look for a brown tint).

do we have to worry bout this with our X's? also, i have 15% across the visor of the winshield...i dont beleive its metallic...but it comes down about 6 inches or so...maybe 9...i'd have to measure. i may have to put it right underneat the tint...should it be centered or can i go on the driver side for position
 

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It really blows that we can't have radar detectors in Virginia. I'm pretty sure Va's the only state that doesn't allow it. As soon as you enter VA theres a big sign saying "RADAR DETECTORS ILLEGAL". Fools.
 

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As long as the tint isn't metallic, it should be fine mounting it there. Just make sure the suciton cups don't leave a mark/indention in the tint. I know it does on my mom's cheaper tint.

And no, we shouldn't have any metal in the windshield, so you should be fine.

As far as mounting it centered or offset, centered would be better just because the windshield doesn't curve as much. Once you start deviating from the center, the radar detector starts point more and more to the side, reducing range.
 

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What's up everyone. I'm gearing up for my Spring Break trip to FLA...visiting 6 colleges in 5 days. FSU, UF, CFU, TU, USF, and Miami....

Wait.... You're going to which schools?? I think you may have a hard time finding CFU and TU.... :)
As for radar detectors, I use an older Escort 8500 hard mounted just under the rearview mirror and a windshield completely tinted from top to bottom in 15% and it still works great. I would get another Escort if I had to pick again. Only been hit a couple times with Laser in Orlando but mainly just becareful on I4... There are ALWAY Troopers out there. On city roads I never get bothered but I dont drive dumb either. Orlando area now has A LOT of traffic cams at traffic lights so keep a heads up.
 
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so ELVATO...since you've had both...although you've upgraded would you rate your escort during operation
 

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so your fam is partial to beltronics...lol

The Beltronics detectors are because the Vector series is a pretty good budget line. I bought the V965 before I found out that the whole line (V940, V955, V965, V995) all have the same performance with just different features (regardless of what the packaging might make you believe).

The STI I bought because I got a really good deal on it (I think 300 for it). As I told you before, you really can't go wrong with any of the high end detectors. Out of the whole group, the Redline and V1 have the best range with, say, an STI close behind.

As I said before, they are essentially the same company now. The Redline, STI, 9500CI, and STI-R all use the same M3 antenna. Differences between them is basically software and firmware differences.
 
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