NyackRob79
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A truck of this size and weight does not have the suspension nor braking setup needed to handle 650hp. The brakes alone are undersized in my opinion as it is.
Best way to get more power?
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AKentPhoto
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I don't disagree...
I have been thinking about going to 6 piston on my other car. That happens to be about half the weight. Anyone offer a reasonable upgraded brake system on these beasts? At least the front...
I have been thinking about going to 6 piston on my other car. That happens to be about half the weight. Anyone offer a reasonable upgraded brake system on these beasts? At least the front...
I would be interested for sure. I feel like Ford/Lincoln missed the boat by not offering some type of brake upgrade package.
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You can order brembo BBKs on GMs... Its even on their build website. All these 22s with normal F150 brakes is pretty nuts really.
Willwood makes a BBK for the Raptor... Anyone know if the spindles are different from regular F150s/Raptors/Expeditions?
https://www.wilwood.com/brakekits/BrakeKitsProdFront?itemno=140-15887-R
I'll ask my raptor shop guy if he knows.
Willwood makes a BBK for the Raptor... Anyone know if the spindles are different from regular F150s/Raptors/Expeditions?
https://www.wilwood.com/brakekits/BrakeKitsProdFront?itemno=140-15887-R
I'll ask my raptor shop guy if he knows.
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Hahaha! It is designed to bring the Vehicle plus a 6000lb trailer to a stop without a brake controller. It can definitely handle the power from a braking standpoint. What does the power outage have to do with the braking?
If we are talking because of the Power you are now taking a Expedition to 130+, then yes, the brakes should be improved.
Braking is a factor of speed, not the rate at which you get to that speed.
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To think a plug in Module has any less warranty ramifications than a Tuner that overwrites the Computer is hilarious!
Both have warranty ramifications and can be found. Plus there is the risk, of every time you plug or unplug the module back in you risk breaking Fords notoriously fragile connectors especially after they get heat cycles on them.
I have seen warranties denied for both, and I have seen dealerships not care about either!
I owned the 2006 PSD 6.0 for 10+ years. I know all about it. I had 3 EGR’s and 3 Coolers installed by my dealer because of the clogging/puking. They continued to work on it under warranty after I had bypass and removal kits installed. It also got studded. I was tuned the whole time. The dealers knew the issue existed on Stock trucks and wasn’t a tune thing. Yes some tuners were adding WAY too much pressure, but that was another issue!
There are SO many advantages to a real Tuner vs a plug in it isn’t even funny.
1). Plug in modules “fool” one or 2 sensors so the computer ups boost, indirectly upping other things. No factory over post protection in place, because the PCM isn’t getting the real number.
2). Ford limits A LOT of things based on Torque demand in the tuning tables. So a plug might increase power, but the factory Torque limits will pull it back out in many places, like on launch or at shifts.
3). Upping power with out adjusting the Transmission for the added power just makes NO sense. I know from experience that these new 10 Speeds are as advanced and have way more settings than most cars whole rest of the system.
4). Adjustability. The amount of things your Tuner can do to tweak things is amazing. Even to the point of adjusting things per mode.
If your dealer is good, and you don’t abuse your vehicle it will have no effect on your warranty, and very little effect on the longevity of your vehicle if you take care of it, and service fluids like they are supposed to be.
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Both have warranty ramifications and can be found. Plus there is the risk, of every time you plug or unplug the module back in you risk breaking Fords notoriously fragile connectors especially after they get heat cycles on them.
I have seen warranties denied for both, and I have seen dealerships not care about either!
I owned the 2006 PSD 6.0 for 10+ years. I know all about it. I had 3 EGR’s and 3 Coolers installed by my dealer because of the clogging/puking. They continued to work on it under warranty after I had bypass and removal kits installed. It also got studded. I was tuned the whole time. The dealers knew the issue existed on Stock trucks and wasn’t a tune thing. Yes some tuners were adding WAY too much pressure, but that was another issue!
There are SO many advantages to a real Tuner vs a plug in it isn’t even funny.
1). Plug in modules “fool” one or 2 sensors so the computer ups boost, indirectly upping other things. No factory over post protection in place, because the PCM isn’t getting the real number.
2). Ford limits A LOT of things based on Torque demand in the tuning tables. So a plug might increase power, but the factory Torque limits will pull it back out in many places, like on launch or at shifts.
3). Upping power with out adjusting the Transmission for the added power just makes NO sense. I know from experience that these new 10 Speeds are as advanced and have way more settings than most cars whole rest of the system.
4). Adjustability. The amount of things your Tuner can do to tweak things is amazing. Even to the point of adjusting things per mode.
If your dealer is good, and you don’t abuse your vehicle it will have no effect on your warranty, and very little effect on the longevity of your vehicle if you take care of it, and service fluids like they are supposed to be.
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Are there any tuner/programmers that include a vacuum gauge and ammeter in their gauge displays?
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5 star tune will not void any warranty unless they can prove 100% without a doubt that the tune alone caused the problem. My dealership knows I’m tuned, and run ethanol, in my 17 and I’ve had powertrain and drivetrain work completed under warranty no issues
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Not quite accurate. If they chose to push it, they can void your warranty by just proving you have over written the ECU or used a plug in module. When you signed to take ownership of the vehicle you agreed to the warranty agreement. In that agreement, it specifically mentions overwrite or tampering with the software that controls the car or signals sent to sensors. The Moss Magnuson Act does not protect you in this case. Many Audi’s owners have lost this battle.
I agree your dealer matters a lot. I have had many tuned, and my dealer knows. I never bring it to them tuned. I always return to stock and fill up with 93 and dilute the Ethanol to the point the Stock tuning can handle.
Bottom line, pay to play. Under most
Circumstances if you have a good dealer and a good tuner you will not have a problem.
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I get the tuning piece, thank you for letting me know about the counter piece, that's interesting. What about mods? i.e. down pipes, intercooler, etc. Granted, you're not going to get a good bang for the buck without a tune, but anyone had issues with mods like those?
I get it, it has probably more to do with the servicing dealer than the mod. Which sucks for me, I have terrible Ford dealers near me, it's a national chain that has some of the worst service ever. I'll have to drive 50+ miles to find a decent one.
I get it, it has probably more to do with the servicing dealer than the mod. Which sucks for me, I have terrible Ford dealers near me, it's a national chain that has some of the worst service ever. I'll have to drive 50+ miles to find a decent one.
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