Ecoboost rear muffler/resonator removal?

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Hi Guys- Just brought home my 4th Expedition yesterday, 2017 limited 4x4. Looking to remove the hideous secondary muffler hanging below the rear bumper, and just run a straight pipe. Has anyone done this? Any affect on sound or performance? Thanks much! -Aaron
 

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Interested as well. Not a fan of how it sticks out like a sore thumb
 

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Hi Guys- Just brought home my 4th Expedition yesterday, 2017 limited 4x4. Looking to remove the hideous secondary muffler hanging below the rear bumper, and just run a straight pipe. Has anyone done this? Any affect on sound or performance? Thanks much! -Aaron
You going for more of the f150 look with just the pipe and exhaust tip visible?
 

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I don't think removing it will provide any performance gains but it certainly wont hurt it. My guess is you'd probably gain a little more sound by removing it
 

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I haven’t done it yet. I went the other way and removed that giant box muffler under the truck and replaced it with a Stainless Works straight-thru first.
Based on that, my truck is louder outside, but is still drone-free, and if you have the radio on at all you can’t hear the exhaust note. Still seems quieter than my wife’s Platinum with that ridiculous artificial engine noise being pumped in. I’m rather deaf, so I don’t entirely trust my auditory senses.
Not sure about performance gains, it’s difficult to tell with the EB.
I’d guess you wouldn’t even notice it’s gone as quiet as the Expedition is inside.
I’d probably kick it out the side rather than straight back if I ever remove mine. But Magnaflow says they are developing an exhaust for the EL finally, so I’ll probably go that route once it’s released.
 

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I don't think removing it will provide any performance gains but it certainly wont hurt it. My guess is you'd probably gain a little more sound by removing it

It could.

Turbo engines with EGRs make for some pretty complex ECU math based largely on back pressure


Also on some modern turbo engines with multiple "muffler" setups, the last one by the exhaust pipe primarily functions to fabricate an aesthetic engine note, ditching it might make the engine unusually QUIET and softspoken
 
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Thanks for all the thoughts- I’m totally fine with slightly louder or quieter, would love to know if there would be any issues with EGR, ECU. I’m hoping someone who has removed this could verify before I remove the eyesore. This must be a common mod. Allboost-yes a simple pipe and 3” chrome tip to the side is preferred!
 

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I actually scraped mine on a high curb backing into a parking spot once. I’d love to ditch it too.


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Thanks for all the thoughts- I’m totally fine with slightly louder or quieter, would love to know if there would be any issues with EGR, ECU. I’m hoping someone who has removed this could verify before I remove the eyesore. This must be a common mod. Allboost-yes a simple pipe and 3” chrome tip to the side is preferred!

Lol and I totally hate my puny rusty simple 2.75" pipe
 

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It could.

Turbo engines with EGRs make for some pretty complex ECU math based largely on back pressure

That is complete BS. The 3.5 Ecoboost doesn’t use an EGR it uses VCT.



OP you’ll be fine removing that muffler if you want
 

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That is complete BS. The 3.5 Ecoboost doesn’t use an EGR it uses VCT.



OP you’ll be fine removing that muffler if you want

Huh... VCT has nothing to do with it, but indeed no EGR.

Good work Ford, surprised they managed to pass emissions without EGR on a 100+ hp/ litre forced induction engine in this day and age. I thought it was unavoidable in this day and age.

However.... back pressure affecting turbos is still a concern. It should get nore boost than it does with an intact muffler, idk whether or not it has the ability to adjust it accordingly
 

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Variable Cam Timing has everything to do with it. If you look it up it’s used in replacement of egr’s. EGR's to my knowledge have never been used on any Ecoboost version and haven't been used on any of Fords NA gas motors for like the last 10yrs. Theyre only used on the diesels. Even then a lot of the times those guys will do an egr delete and run straight pipe to remove the cats and dpf. Theyre certainly not complaining of poor performance

You'll lose a little boost true (in this case maybe half a psi) but only because you're increasing exhaust flow which is good. As I said I doubt any performance gain or loss would be noticed
 

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EGR introduces exhaust gasses into the incoming intake charge to aid in the complete burning off of hydrocarbons no? How would cam timing negate the need for this? I could see cam lobe profile perhaps to control valve overlap. But keeping the relationship of intake to exhaust valve constant doesn't change that... Am I missing something? I could see EGR not being used on a forced induction as there is extra airflow when under boost as well as the need for a vacuum environment for EGR to function.
 

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Hi Guys- Just brought home my 4th Expedition yesterday, 2017 limited 4x4. Looking to remove the hideous secondary muffler hanging below the rear bumper, and just run a straight pipe. Has anyone done this? Any affect on sound or performance? Thanks much! -Aaron


I own a 2015 Expediton Limited 4x4 with the same exhaust system. What is hideous about the muffler?
 

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EGR introduces exhaust gasses into the incoming intake charge to aid in the complete burning off of hydrocarbons no? How would cam timing negate the need for this? I could see cam lobe profile perhaps to control valve overlap. But keeping the relationship of intake to exhaust valve constant doesn't change that... Am I missing something? I could see EGR not being used on a forced induction as there is extra airflow when under boost as well as the need for a vacuum environment for EGR to function.

WOW!!!! I'm not making this stuff up people


Variable Camshaft Timing (VCT) is an automobile variable valve timing technology developed by Ford The use of variable camshaft timing on the exhaust camshaft is for improved emissions, and vehicles with VCT on the exhaust camshaft do not require exhaust gas recirculation (EGR) as retarding the exhaust cam timing achieves the same result
 

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not doubting you... just curious. I've built a few forced induction motors, and never made this connection before. VCT is far more commonly mentioned as a reason for both increased low RPM torque as well as higher RPM HP. The ability to vary the cam's timing with RPMs and throttle position have really opened p the breathing on internal combustion engines. I would think that the removal of EGR would be a byproduct of as opposed to a featured benefit. I'm interested in reading up on your link, what was the source if I may ask?
 

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EGR removal is ALWAYS a benefit

Its nasty on the engine AND horrible for the environment, because it reduces the size of the hydrocarbons in question making them far more harmful. Its more of a diesel-related illustration, but basically EGR-equipped trucks emit less visible ugly grimy soot, having instead burned it into microscopic particulates that actually get INTO your skin and tissues and give you lovely respiratory issues and cancer and make your kids grow up with learning disabilities.... yay go clean air initiatives!!!

However it does help bring tailpipe emissions into COMPLIANCE, because our rudimentary standards measure specific particulates only and could care less what other things come out in their place


... CARB EPA etc are all run by barely literate bureaucrats, and the standards they and lobbies push for promote a "doesnt matter if it's far worse, what we care about is compliance only" mindset.
 

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I’m not a fan of the big muffler out the back i like the pipe out the side better. Had to pick a better pic of the earlier 3rd gen lol, that puke earth color was awful.

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