Engine removal

[Canyon Man]

Hello Everyone,
Well, thanks to the wife, I know need to pull the engine out of my 2000 expedition (5.4) and replace it with one from the salvage yard. She neglected to check the oil. So, since I am laid off with more time than money I need to do the work. Does anyone have any advice or precautions or anything I need to know before I start this daunting task. I looked through the diy and did not notice anything on the subject. I also did a forum search under engine removal and did not notice anything there either. So any inout will be greatly appreciated. Thanks guys

 

[timberwoof]

Take pictures and use a lot of plastic baggies for the bolts and label everything. Take your time and do it right the first time.

 

[Canyon Man]

That's why I'm here. I've done motor swaps before, usually toyota, older f150 and this is how I usually start. I get everyones input and then I give er. I will be starting the job tomorrow bright and early.

 

[panda24619]

remove the hood! remove everything that is in the way you dont need. battery, intake, hoses that sort of thing. and since you've done it before you know the basics.

 

[timberwoof]

For certain items I used cardboard and stuck the bolts in it in the pattern they came out so I wouldn't forget. That helped quite a bit. Of course my experience was with a 96 jeep. So not as complicated as our engines.

 

[stamp11127]

When you do it I'd appreciate pics of the chain attachment points and clearance when coming over the radiator/grill. I've got the same job in the near future.

 

[toms89]

I have done this. I will pm you my cell phone # so if you have any questions feel free to call. Half the engine sits under the firewall so you have to remove accessories and radiator to get the clearance to pull it forward. I left the condensor (a/c radiator) because it is far enough forward. I did not have to pull apart any a/c connections. The compressor can be moved out of the way once you detach it from the motor. I found I also had to remove bumper and front facia to get the engine lift far enough back towards the firewall to lift. I removed everything from the intake up to get the clearance to lift. I have many photos if you need to see anything in particular.

If you lived closer I still have my stock 5.4 long block with appr..104,000 miles on it. I always used synthetic since I owned it and it did not burn any oil. Only issue was exhaust manifold leak due to rusted off stud.

 

[toms89]

 

[camoford4x4]

can a 2002 5.4 fit in my 1997 5.4? or will i have to make mods?

 

[toms89]

can a 2002 5.4 fit in my 1997 5.4? or will i have to make mods?

Same size motor and both are 2V but the 2002 has the PI intake and heads vs the non pi for the 1997. There are likely differences in the tune?!

 

[Canyon Man]

Thanks Alot You guys Rock

 

[Canyon Man]

Watched your youtube video Tom. Thats music to my ears. Very Nice

 

[02expi]

when I did mine the biggest problem I had was not being able to see or get to the trans to engine bolts on top of the trans.so I took out the 6 body bolts (u can leave the last ones in) and lifted the body up about 5 inches and stuck a 5" piece of 4x4 under the mounts in rad cradle, therefore I didn't have to disassemble the motor to get it out. this also made it easier to get to the bolts holding the wiring harnesses to the back of the motor , and the wires for the 02 sensors.Took fan off unbolted the a/c compressor so as not to have to recharge the system when done.It is necessary to lift the front of the motor higher than the back to get out of the motor mounts. hope this helps.

 

[Canyon Man]

Well I'm callin it a day' I finished cleaning the garage which took much longer than I expected finished wrenching on my camaro, then finally pulled the expy into the garage. I pulled off the hood and the entire front end. I will have to think about the body lift. Did you have to disconnect anything when you lifted the body? I will try to post some pics and some videos to my you tube channel. Thanks again guys for all the help. Also if you watch the video you will like my "emergency drawer". I'll try to post the vid tonight with a link

ok here's the link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek4-Hfn24Uk&feature=youtu.be

 

[02expi]

Yes the steering column has to be disconnected it wasn't hard tho. just the rod taken loose at one end just below the p.s. pump. I since learned that all the plastic under the wipers comes off without a lot of hassle, which I did not do on mine. that should give better access. The floor jack raises the body easily.The trans shifter cable was stretched fairly tight but did not have to be disconnected.

 

[Canyon Man]

The things you find

Well so far so good. Everything is coming out just fine but now I find the the transmission fill tube is completely rotted out near the exhaust manifold. Good thing I never had to add any. Ahh the things you find

 

[hahnlsquid]

good advice here i just finished a swap myself some key notes that will save you time that i found.
1. remove intake manifiold ( trust me its faster and you wont be able to reach the 2 top bolts from bell housing to block with it on anyway)
2. shop manual says unbolt ps pump from block but leaving it in the engine bay is a pain so its easyer to unbolt the lines from the steeering box and pull with motor.
3. dont forget to unbolt the torque converter to flex plate bolts. its easyer to leave the tc in the trans
4. reaching starter bolts is a sinch in you pull off the pasenger wheel and use a couple long exstensions. have rachet in front of motor in engine bay while a asistant guides the socket onto starter bolts from wheel well.. took me 5 min.. so much for the nightmares i heard with the top bolt
5.be extra carefull with all hoses and connectors breaking things is almost certin if you rush. just go slow and relax exspect to take a day to pull and a day to install if you have help it might go faster but plan a few days of down time
6. before installing the new junk yard motor now is a good time to freshen it up
new plugs, front main seal, water pump, valve cover gaskets, these thinkgs are cheap and easy to reach with motor out
good luck

 

[Canyon Man]

Well as far as freshening up the block thats going to go in, I replaced plugs, new water pump, power steering pump, starter,new power steering hoses, thermostat, upper and lower radiator hoses, oil pan gasket,fuel filter, pcv valve. I think thats it. Anyone have any other thoughts. I am in the process now of removing the last bolts from the trans and the motor mounts. And yes, the removal of the intake manifold is a must. Im hoping today to have the old block removed and the new block installed.

 

[Canyon Man]

score

On a side note, Just scored on the shop manuals from ebay and delivered on Friday. Awesome timing.. Only 30 bucks. 3 of them to, be precise. The poor mailman had a hernia delivering them

 

[Canyon Man]

Ahhhhhh...
Finished at last. Total time of actual wrenching is about 20 hrs. All by myself. Finished about an hour ago. Unfortunately, a lot of family stuff happened the second I started so that spread it out quite a bit,(my dad died) but i kept a hour log. Thank to everyone for your help