I know this isn’t the best time to be looking at used vehicles with prices, supply and demand and all, but what would be considered too many miles on a 2019/2020 Expedition? Looking at used most have 55k + miles on them. These used one seem to have high mileage on them for no older than they are and or course the mileage affects pricing. Thanks.
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Based on other Eco engines and my reading of others' experiences thus far on 4th gens, I would expect a 4th gen to need major repairs by 150k. That's all supposition though and just my 2 cents.
When it comes to any vehicle, "too many miles" for me would ultimately depend on how much I would be driving said vehicle. I drive ~20k year so if I only expect to get 100k out of a used vehicle that only gives me 5 years. It's all guesswork of course. No one ones if they'll get a lemon or a cherry.
When it comes to any vehicle, "too many miles" for me would ultimately depend on how much I would be driving said vehicle. I drive ~20k year so if I only expect to get 100k out of a used vehicle that only gives me 5 years. It's all guesswork of course. No one ones if they'll get a lemon or a cherry.
I am currently looking at a 2018 with 82k on it for my wife. We are shopping the 3 row full size class (i.e. tahoe, suburban, escalade). I am a big fan of the expedition but it will be up to her.
As for mileage, the vehicles in our budget are 16-18 year range with 80K+ miles. The SUVs in this class should go 150K easy. This would be a 5 year car at most to get us through the small kid phase instead of a brand new super nice car right now to get trashed. My '15 3.5 eb F150 is over 100K and should not slow down anytime soon so I would expect the same for the 4th gen Exp.
As for mileage, the vehicles in our budget are 16-18 year range with 80K+ miles. The SUVs in this class should go 150K easy. This would be a 5 year car at most to get us through the small kid phase instead of a brand new super nice car right now to get trashed. My '15 3.5 eb F150 is over 100K and should not slow down anytime soon so I would expect the same for the 4th gen Exp.
I would skip the 2018 and find 2019 due to plastic oil drain plug that has been leaking. Struts may be gone by now since it's 5 years old. At 80k miles, you need to change out a lot of fluids like rear diff, transfer case, brake fluids, and especially transmission fluids. Maintenance records are the main factor to buy these trucks used.
If you are looking for a three row full size SUV in the 2016-2018 model range, with 80,000+ miles on it, and plan on putting another 80,000 miles on it… there is only one thing that should be on your list. Toyota Sequoia. It will do that easily with zero maintenance bills beyond the normal oil changes, brakes and tires.
Do NOT buy a 2018 Expedition with 80,000 miles on it. You will regret it. Trust me. Amazing SUV? Yes. For sure. Will you be spending thousands of dollars at the dealership for major engine and drivetrain repairs? YES…yes you will. Bank on it.
Yeah I know. The Sequoia looks dated…. Looks like a bloated Tundra swallowed a watermelon… the technology is old and dated, the drivetrain is old… suck gas… blah blah…
whatever. They are supremely comfortable, and supremely reliable. And there are tons of them on the road with 200k, 300k… still no issues. There is no comparison really. Except maybe another Toyota, the LandCruiser… but the 3rd row on that one sucks.
If yo have your heart set on a 4th gen Expedition, i understand. I wa smitten with them also… I get it. But you should know what you are getting into. This is not a vehicle you keep beyond 100,000 miles, or 5 years. It will cost you a fricking fortune.
Do NOT buy a 2018 Expedition with 80,000 miles on it. You will regret it. Trust me. Amazing SUV? Yes. For sure. Will you be spending thousands of dollars at the dealership for major engine and drivetrain repairs? YES…yes you will. Bank on it.
Yeah I know. The Sequoia looks dated…. Looks like a bloated Tundra swallowed a watermelon… the technology is old and dated, the drivetrain is old… suck gas… blah blah…
whatever. They are supremely comfortable, and supremely reliable. And there are tons of them on the road with 200k, 300k… still no issues. There is no comparison really. Except maybe another Toyota, the LandCruiser… but the 3rd row on that one sucks.
If yo have your heart set on a 4th gen Expedition, i understand. I wa smitten with them also… I get it. But you should know what you are getting into. This is not a vehicle you keep beyond 100,000 miles, or 5 years. It will cost you a fricking fortune.
Struts would not be a big deal but I definitely would take a hard look and feel to see how they are especially if they are CCD struts as I imagine those are not cheap. Those fluids are a 150K scheduled item are they not?
Interesting input, thank you for the thought. I agree the Sequoia looks awful but I will take a gander and see if anything nearby. I looked into the Nissan Armadas for a brief moment but they only give you a bench seat or a console in the second row so that is a deal breaker (we like the captain chairs).
She likes the Escalades but I can see a '16-17 being a money pit as well. We may take a look at a 16 Suburban with 83K and great maintenance records. It is probably a crapshoot on any of these vehicles. May get lucky and have no issues or may be a disaster. I have been on the f150forum for years and its either the end of the world with the ford truck or greatest thing ever.
The only single reason to buy a Sequoia is reliability. That's it, there are zero other reasons to buy it. Beyond reliability it comes in dead last for every single other category. I would consider it brutal torture to own and drive one...
That’s not far off. Unfortunately.
I have driven several, and it does have several good things going for it. You get the satisfying rumble of a V8.
It has VERY comfortable seating, and a very quiet, smooth ride. The second AND third row seats are every bit as roomy and comfortable as my Platinum Expy.
A Platinum trim Sequoia has the adjustable ride height in the back to compensate for heavy loads and towing. Something the Expy does NOT have.
AND, the rear window that can be lowered is pretty cool.
But beyond that, the Sequoia is very outdated.
Traditional key start.
column shifter
Very small touchscreen Nav on dash
technology and infotainment is very outdated.
But, the BluRay rear seat entertainment is at least hard wired to the car audio.. something Ford failed at.
When I was buying new, compared to the Sequoia, the expedition was $10k cheaper with dealer discounts (for a way better level of refinement), saves $500 in gas per year, and had 0% Apr. That totaled to about $20k in direct savings over the Toyota product. When you factor in the interior refinement and the pleasure of having two turbos 
, then the Expedition was a waaay better bargain. I would say at least 30k cheaper over 10 years of ownership. That doesn’t factor maintenance/repair.
I was actually surprised that Ford sold that much of a car so cheaply. Any similar European vehicle with turbos is at least 40k more expensive.
I knew that I will have some hard part failures (and I did haha) over the span of ownership, but at the end the Expedition will still be significantly cheaper.
, then the Expedition was a waaay better bargain. I would say at least 30k cheaper over 10 years of ownership. That doesn’t factor maintenance/repair.I was actually surprised that Ford sold that much of a car so cheaply. Any similar European vehicle with turbos is at least 40k more expensive.
I knew that I will have some hard part failures (and I did haha) over the span of ownership, but at the end the Expedition will still be significantly cheaper.
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When I was buying new, compared to the Sequoia, the expedition was $10k cheaper with dealer discounts (for a way better level of refinement), saves $500 in gas per year, and had 0% Apr. That totaled to about $20k in direct savings over the Toyota product. When you factor in the interior refinement and the pleasure of having two turbos
I was actually surprised that Ford sold that much of a car so cheaply. Any similar European vehicle with turbos is at least 40k more expensive.
I knew that I will have some hard part failures (and I did haha) over the span of ownership, but at the end the Expedition will still be significantly cheaper.
$80K for a truck that is very likely to take a giant s**t by the time it hits 150k miles isn't a bargain in my book. That's as much as some people in KY paid for a newer house and a couple acres of land.
Also, the truck costs twice what it did in 2002. And yet the median income in the US in 2002 was $42,409 and today it's $44,225. :x
By the way, I am n
I see your point. My theory worked since I was in the market for something in the $50k range. Which is still a lot, but much better value compared to other vehicles in this range.$80K for a truck that is very likely to take a giant s**t by the time it hits 150k miles isn't a bargain in my book. That's as much as some people in KY paid for a newer house and a couple acres of land.
Maybe if the owner didn’t change the oil… ever.. seriously.
The Sequoia Drivetrain is bulletproof.
Do I like my Expy better? Yeah. And it isn’t even a contest. But I would give anything for it to be even half as well made as the Toyota.
The build quality of the 4th gens could be better. I felt my 09 nav was better built than my 18 expy, considering the expy was 10 yrs newer. Hopefully the build quality goes up on the post refresh.
When I was buying new, compared to the Sequoia, the expedition was $10k cheaper with dealer discounts (for a way better level of refinement), saves $500 in gas per year, and had 0% Apr. That totaled to about $20k in direct savings over the Toyota product. When you factor in the interior refinement and the pleasure of having two turbos
I was actually surprised that Ford sold that much of a car so cheaply. Any similar European vehicle with turbos is at least 40k more expensive.
I knew that I will have some hard part failures (and I did haha) over the span of ownership, but at the end the Expedition will still be significantly cheaper.
What are the hard part failures you encountered?
Just out of curiosity, why would anyone want to hardwire the back seat entertainment to the main vehicle audio? I want to hear my music, not the kid's movies as I drive. Rear seat entertainment should be limited to the rear seat passengers and not create a distraction for the driver.
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I have 131k on my Max Limited. Turbo rattle, cams were worked on under warranty, and it has developed a coolant leak at a plastic y-fitting going to heater core. I believe the leak is due to improperly securing it during the cam repairs. Other than that, it still runs great!
I have grinding, howling, and whining in the front diff. But the dealer say noise is normal! It is pretty loud when the diff gets warm. Of course they park it for several hours before they test drive it, and by then things are cool and quiet.
Now the noise is much worse, so I will try to schedule an appointment with their powertrain specialist and take him for a test drive.
Nytimes770
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Is the reliability really that bad? So if I’m the type not to want any significant repairs, should I plan to get a new Expedition (or other) by the time the power train runs out?
No. You are on an Internet forum and since the vast majority of people never once visit one you are not seeing a true sampling set. Quite a few people who do find a forum do it because they have a problem leading to more issues reported as a percentage than actual field numbers.
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