Expedition sales ytd

[BIGRED03]

Has anyone seen the sales report for Expedition's? Wow, GM is schooling Ford on how to sell large suv's. Maybe 10 to1 or more overall ? I did not add all the numbers up did not have to. The Tahoe has a 40 percent gain this year? That equates to a big loss for the Armada, Sequoia and mainly Expedition. 2013 has been a dismal year for the Expedition. If it had not been for the rebate which equaled a dollar for each pound of Expedition weight I may have been swayed to GM as well.
Ford says the Expedition is still profitable in small numbers. Well in 03 I think Ford sold more than 180,000 of them. This year maybe 24,000? That is a small fraction other wise.
Why has GM succeeded and Ford continues losing market share?
The 2014 Expedition has a $3,000 price increase over the 2013 according to the online Ford website pricing. What is new in 2014 to warrant that price increase?
What is the solution for Ford? What are they doing wrong? Has the lack of engine offerings hurt? I noticed that GM dropped the hybrid large suv's. Have they gone to long without a major body change? Let Ford know how you feel about this.

 

[alaskanexpy]

they have let it go stale, much like they did the econoline,crown vic, ranger... the body is basically a 2003, the engines are wayyy behind.

i have not seen anything new for 2014 either....looks like 2015 will be the year of change.

they need some restyle, get more inline with the f-150 i terms of looks. then add all the new engines (3.7 5.0 3.5 6.2) and make some changes that will get buyers in the door! the CUV market has really stolen alot form the true body on frame SUV market as many who used to buy truck based SUV's realized they dont need them and got a much more car like offering.

 

[sgtowing]

I'm not sure what the #'s are but a 40% gain only refers to the % of sales increase over a specific time for THAT specific vehicle. I drive for a living here in Tampa Bay and I do think there are more big GM suv's than Ford but not by that many. I see new Expeditions all over the place. One reason they are not selling is Ford has not addressed the fuel economy issue with the Expedition. Lets face it, all the fuel economy development and talk are going to the F150.

 

[KWT2000]

if ford would put some ecoboost expeditions in the market i think it would help, personally i think it will be under powered

they also need to restyle but ford is throwing alot into their car market which is fine but dont forget the segment that made them huge

 

[BIGRED03]

I'm not sure what the #'s are but a 40% gain only refers to the % of sales increase over a specific time for THAT specific vehicle. I drive for a living here in Tampa Bay and I do think there are more big GM suv's than Ford but not by that many. I see new Expeditions all over the place. One reason they are not selling is Ford has not addressed the fuel economy issue with the Expedition. Lets face it, all the fuel economy development and talk are going to the F150.

I simply "googled" sales numbers by model year and make and did the same for sales by month during a model year. The numbers speak for themselves.
Large suv's have lost some market share not quite like you would think they for GM are making a comeback especially for the Tahoe and Yukon. The numbers I saw did not show Escalade or Denali sales separately or the Navigator for Ford. Yukon XL actually outsold the venerable Suburban for a time. GM has now got a commanding 74 percent of market share. In August 2013 alone GM Large SUV SALES, 15000+ UNITS, FORD EXPEDITION SALES for the same time period was less than 3200 units.
Escalade vs Navigator August 2013 was 1975 for Cadillac and 633 units for a good month for Lincoln.

These numbers translate just as easily into the annual sales numbers for each automaker.

 

[FordandPolaris]

I simply "googled" sales numbers by model year and make and did the same for sales by month during a model year. The numbers speak for themselves.
Large suv's have lost some market share not quite like you would think they for GM are making a comeback especially for the Tahoe and Yukon. The numbers I saw did not show Escalade or Denali sales separately or the Navigator for Ford. Yukon XL actually outsold the venerable Suburban for a time. GM has now got a commanding 74 percent of market share. In August 2013 alone GM Large SUV SALES, 15000+ UNITS, FORD EXPEDITION SALES for the same time period was less than 3200 units.
Escalade vs Navigator August 2013 was 1975 for Cadillac and 633 units for a good month for Lincoln.

These numbers translate just as easily into the annual sales numbers for each automaker.

Ford's cash cow has always been the F-150. That is why the Expedition is not as strong, and it is the reason why you don't see the updates as often. GM has always had a huge chunk of the market share in the SUV market just because they have been doing 4 door SUV's longer. Ford did not expect to win the entire market with the Expedition, it was only meant to be a competitor to the Tahoe after the economic boom in the 90's. Everyone was buying big SUV's and Ford didn't want to completely miss out.

The numbers I am finding show that the Tahoe's sales are actually declining overall, though not on the same scale as the Expy. I would agree with sgtowing in that I see quite a few new Expeditions around here, and that they are still beat out by Chevrolet, but not by very much.

 

[BIGRED03]

if ford would put some ecoboost expeditions in the market i think it would help, personally i think it will be under powered

they also need to restyle but ford is throwing alot into their car market which is fine but dont forget the segment that made them huge

I guess you really made my point for me. Ford makes a whole lot more from a truck sale than a car. I think Ford has forgotten what makes them the money. What ever I used to buy I would always get the biggest engine available because it is a whole lot cheaper now than adding it later. With only one engine choice GM has the advantage. It's not like Ford does not have the engines available. Dodge is putting a diesel in the 1500 pick-up this year. I think this will be the spark that the other automakers need to see the light. Let Ford loose some F150 share to Dodge Ram pick-ups and that will make them listen. Chrysler is going to build a large suv again under the Jeep name and it will most likely have a diesel option as Chrysler has marketed diesels in the Grand Cherokee and Liberty for years. Ford does not needs this to happen they cannot afford to give up more market share.

 

[BIGRED03]

Ford's cash cow has always been the F-150. That is why the Expedition is not as strong, and it is the reason why you don't see the updates as often. GM has always had a huge chunk of the market share in the SUV market just because they have been doing 4 door SUV's longer. Ford did not expect to win the entire market with the Expedition, it was only meant to be a competitor to the Tahoe after the economic boom in the 90's. Everyone was buying big SUV's and Ford didn't want to completely miss out.

The numbers I am finding show that the Tahoe's sales are actually declining overall, though not on the same scale as the Expy. I would agree with sgtowing in that I see quite a few new Expeditions around here, and that they are still beat out by Chevrolet, but not by very much.

That is what I said.

 

[FordandPolaris]

I guess you really made my point for me. Ford makes a whole lot more from a truck sale than a car. I think Ford has forgotten what makes them the money. What ever I used to buy I would always get the biggest engine available because it is a whole lot cheaper now than adding it later. With only one engine choice GM has the advantage. It's not like Ford does not have the engines available. Dodge is putting a diesel in the 1500 pick-up this year. I think this will be the spark that the other automakers need to see the light. Let Ford loose some F150 share to Dodge Ram pick-ups and that will make them listen. Chrysler is going to build a large suv again under the Jeep name and it will most likely have a diesel option as Chrysler has marketed diesels in the Grand Cherokee and Liberty for years. Ford does not needs this to happen they cannot afford to give up more market share.

Why put a new motor in an old design though? That is the whole reason they have not come out with that yet. May as well build a new generation of truck to house the motors. But they will not do that until the next update to the F-150. Dodge is not much of a threat to Ford's pickup market share. Ford just about doubles their numbers in that department. Chevrolet will get some with the new facelift they just came out with.

Ford definitely does not market the Expedition with as much vigor as they do the F-150. They are not concerned with controlling the SUV market. If they were, we would still see an Excursion-type option (most likely F250 suspension under an Expy) to compete with the Suburbans...

They simply sell SUV's to supplement their income to the truck market, where their real money lies. SUV's are profitable, so even if you can only sell them in small numbers, profit is profit. I know I am kind of repeating myself there, but that is why you don't see Ford concerned with the Expedition as much. We are a minority population in that respect.

 

[BIGRED03]

Why put a new motor in an old design though? That is the whole reason they have not come out with that yet. May as well build a new generation of truck to house the motors. But they will not do that until the next update to the F-150. Dodge is not much of a threat to Ford's pickup market share. Ford just about doubles their numbers in that department. Chevrolet will get some with the new facelift they just came out with.

Ford definitely does not market the Expedition with as much vigor as they do the F-150. They are not concerned with controlling the SUV market. If they were, we would still see an Excursion-type option (most likely F250 suspension under an Expy) to compete with the Suburbans...

They simply sell SUV's to supplement their income to the truck market, where their real money lies. SUV's are profitable, so even if you can only sell them in small numbers, profit is profit. I know I am kind of repeating myself there, but that is why you don't see Ford concerned with the Expedition as much. We are a minority population in that respect.

We will see about Dodge. If America can ever get over the screwing GM did to the public in the 70's with the gasoline converted 5.7L engines into diesel engines that would blow the heads off. I have all my three diesels in my family now including my 07 Grand Cherokee fulltime all wheel drive that gets low 20's at 80mph.
I cannot wait to see what the new 8 speed does with this diesel. Hopefully it will make its way to the new Jeep Wagoneer (large suv maybe) due in 2015 as a 2016. I have no problem paying fifty cents more for diesel for fifty percent better mileage. My old Jetta TDI now my daughter's get better mpg's than Prius does. My old New Beetle TDI with 220K still gets 39 hwy.

I do not drive a Expedition for the mileage but it would not be a bad idea to get much better.

I guess it makes sense for Ford to wait and do to new trucks at the same time to increase interchangeability in parts thus more profit. I hope they have someone left to sell them to.

Chevrolet did a rehash on the 2014, looks nearly the same as the out going trucks.

 

[KWT2000]

lets not forget that Nissan is getting a 5.0 V8 cummins that along side dodge getting a diesel is going to really hurt F150 if something doesn't change.. i am hoping that subaru is going to bring the turbo diesel over as well but that is different all together

another point is GM and Dodge have a financing option that is not offered to ford that is guaranteed by uncle sam. IMO it is a lot like the housing bubble and will burst at some point

 

[BIGRED03]

lets not forget that Nissan is getting a 5.0 V8 cummins that along side dodge getting a diesel is going to really hurt F150 if something doesn't change.. i am hoping that subaru is going to bring the turbo diesel over as well but that is different all together

another point is GM and Dodge have a financing option that is not offered to ford that is guaranteed by uncle sam. IMO it is a lot like the housing bubble and will burst at some point

I had forgotten about the Nissan diesel entry, I think Five Liter's is a bit of overkill. My 3.0L Jeep diesel has more torque than the Hemi 5.7 in my wife's Magnum. I think around 4.0 would be a good size for a large suv or half ton pick-up. Weight wise anyway.

 

[KWT2000]

i was really surprised to see a V configuration from cummins,

i agree with the weight/power ratio for a half ton, but maybe they are trying to break into the heavier truck market but who knows...

 

[sgtowing]

Nissan is already in the heavier truck market snd had been for a while. UD trucks are Nissan.

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[KWT2000]

Nissan is already in the heavier truck market snd had been for a while. UD trucks are Nissan.

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UD is medium duty up to class 8

im meant compete with the F250/350

 

[BIGRED03]

Nissan & cummins 5.0 diesel

i was really surprised to see a V configuration from cummins,

i agree with the weight/power ratio for a half ton, but maybe they are trying to break into the heavier truck market but who knows...

Yeah a deal with Cummins that could mean they have some other plans for that engine as well maybe a marine application like GM and who was it Mercruiser?

 

[KWT2000]

yes it merc cruiser which caused pleasure craft and ford to suffer and eventually go under

 

[andrew_s]

While I agree the 2nd and 3rd gens arent terribly different, they did redesign at the same time GM did as well as GM still uses the 5.3 so it must be something else GM is doing. Honestly Im not a fan of the newer engines, but for sales new engines do certainly spice up sales. Honestly big SUV sales are suffering due to crossovers with 3rd row and the minivan craze. We are a small market getting smaller as most people dont own or even have a need to tow (lets face it the biggest advantage to an expedition/tahoe over a minivan/CUV). When you can people haul well and get a MPG or 2 more for less then 43k it makes it an easy choice, not to mention the reaction some people have towards these trucks. Hell I get looks all the time in the hippy town I live in when I ride solo.

 

[BIGRED03]

GM does offer VVT, cylinder de-activation and three different engines though they dropped the hybrids I guess to small numbers. The hybrid would have worked for me where I live because low speeds in the retirement community that surrounds me. GM claims that the Tahoe sales are increasing from year to year, not to pre 06 levels yet. It really depends where you live in what you see around. My 'hood is full of large suv's for all of the boats, campers and four wheelers. While I agree the large suv market has taken a big hit from the cuv's and probably will never come back unless cng and diesels make it into the market for them. I have a couple of neighbors that are waiting for the 2014 Diesel Grand Cherokee like my 07 and 1 waiting for the first Ram 1500 diesel. They have seen how quite mine is and no smell for years and it will tow either 7400 or 8400 lbs. that's not bad at all for that size truck. I need the large suv for towing and will not haul my granddaughter in anything else, that's just me of course.