How many Miles on your 4th Gen Expedition
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z71kris
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bmpcamry09
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83,000 on my 2018 XLT
Been perfectly maintained from day 1. I do my own maintenance and repairs. Never more than 5,000 miles on an oil change. Trans and diffs have been regularly serviced. Amsoil SS 5w30 for the oil. I am tuned.
Only issues - I did have cam phaser rattle at 80,000. I did the full timing job myself in about 9 hours, replacing all components and using the upgraded phasers. Quiet as a mouse now. Don't understand why the phaser rattle makes people sell this thing, as the repair was not that difficult or expensive considering the price of these vehicles. Also, Factory shocks were shot around 80,000. Upgraded to Bilstein 5100s and rides like it should have from the factory.
LOVE my Expedition. 20 MPG regularly when not driving like a jerk. Fits my football team of a family with ease. Who needs a minivan
Been perfectly maintained from day 1. I do my own maintenance and repairs. Never more than 5,000 miles on an oil change. Trans and diffs have been regularly serviced. Amsoil SS 5w30 for the oil. I am tuned.
Only issues - I did have cam phaser rattle at 80,000. I did the full timing job myself in about 9 hours, replacing all components and using the upgraded phasers. Quiet as a mouse now. Don't understand why the phaser rattle makes people sell this thing, as the repair was not that difficult or expensive considering the price of these vehicles. Also, Factory shocks were shot around 80,000. Upgraded to Bilstein 5100s and rides like it should have from the factory.
LOVE my Expedition. 20 MPG regularly when not driving like a jerk. Fits my football team of a family with ease. Who needs a minivan
lurch
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I spoke too soon about working the gremlins out. I now have a transmission rebuild kit on order at my dealer.
Johnathan M
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Not 4th gen, but I have 255,000 on my 2013. Runs great. I'm hoping to take it to 400K!
Andy B
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2023 SPP delivered this April!
1,700 miles and just got the first oil change.
They're so cute at this age.
1,700 miles and just got the first oil change.
They're so cute at this age.
Timing chain kit phasers at 150,000 not a problem since
We enjoy our Expedition but I’m very worried about the CDF drum issue of the transmission. I’m at 77,800 miles and got the truck as a Gold Certified at 60k and under Warranty until 100k. Ours is a Max Limited with CCD suspension and 22 inch wheels. I don’t tow really anything and just need the space for the kids.
Previous owner did all their oil changes at around 5-6000 miles and was a highway used car going off the idle versus total hours and mileage. They had the cam phasers fail and truck went into limp mode in 2/2019 at about 30k so the truck was towed in and they were replaced by the dealer. Before that, it was one of the trucks which had R134a Freon on in it from the factory so the AC compressor failed around 20k and Fords technical bulletin informed to replace all the AC components from the compressor, condenser, evaporator and lines.
That looks like all for the previous owner. My experience is as follows,
Water pump at 61k
T stat 62k
Turbos rattling on start up at 64k and both replaced.
Cam phaser noise right after that at about 65k and replaced but not with update parts.
New hot restart tap noise after cam phasers replaced which turned out to be the phaser solenoids. While diagnosing for the hot restart noise, the dealer installed the updated phasers.
Plastic oil pan resealed at 64k but now leak has currently returned and I need to either take it in under ESP or upgrade to the aluminum pan set up.
Cat converter failed at 65k for P0430 code. Bank 1 Cat replaced under 8/80k emissions warranty.
Trans CDF drum failed 1200 miles from home at 66k and car locked into Park and couldn’t be driven due to low trans fluid pressure from drum bushing shift. Trans CDF drum was replaced with the un updated part that came out per TSB in May of 2023 so I’m very worried if this will happen again.
70k front right TPMS tire sensor battery went weak and replaced.
76k replaced the thermostat with the new updated design and flushed coolant (again).
We also take really good care of the truck. When we got it, I changed every fluid from front and rear diffs, transfer case including flushing the brakes with Ford fluid from the dealer. Trans pan was also dropped and filter changed and was extremely clean. All filters were also replaced as well as the spark plugs, battery and both engine drive belts. Coolant was upgraded from the orange to yellow. This was all at about 60-61k miles. The rear brake pads were replaced by the previous owner at 40k and I did them again when I got it at 60k with rotors. At that time the front rotors and pads were brand new with the so I pulled the pads and installed Hawk truck / tow LTS pads which was an amazing upgrade in brake response and stopping power. I myself performed a wheel alignment on the truck at a friends shop and amazed that only the front toe was a hair out of spec which is pretty amazing for 60k plus miles.
I’m hoping I’m just down to an oil pan re seal and maybe Ford will step up and turn the CDF drum TSB into a recall and then I’d really feel the gremlins have been worked out if this truck. I wish I knew if the later CDF drums were improved but the new part really looks to fix that issue since the bushing cannot shift and is locked in. Some people say “oh well it’s a 2018 and first year of production” but besides the plastic oil pan, all the 2018-2021’s seem to have these issues.
Luckily, the suspension is all super tight and the ride is still very good.
Previous owner did all their oil changes at around 5-6000 miles and was a highway used car going off the idle versus total hours and mileage. They had the cam phasers fail and truck went into limp mode in 2/2019 at about 30k so the truck was towed in and they were replaced by the dealer. Before that, it was one of the trucks which had R134a Freon on in it from the factory so the AC compressor failed around 20k and Fords technical bulletin informed to replace all the AC components from the compressor, condenser, evaporator and lines.
That looks like all for the previous owner. My experience is as follows,
Water pump at 61k
T stat 62k
Turbos rattling on start up at 64k and both replaced.
Cam phaser noise right after that at about 65k and replaced but not with update parts.
New hot restart tap noise after cam phasers replaced which turned out to be the phaser solenoids. While diagnosing for the hot restart noise, the dealer installed the updated phasers.
Plastic oil pan resealed at 64k but now leak has currently returned and I need to either take it in under ESP or upgrade to the aluminum pan set up.
Cat converter failed at 65k for P0430 code. Bank 1 Cat replaced under 8/80k emissions warranty.
Trans CDF drum failed 1200 miles from home at 66k and car locked into Park and couldn’t be driven due to low trans fluid pressure from drum bushing shift. Trans CDF drum was replaced with the un updated part that came out per TSB in May of 2023 so I’m very worried if this will happen again.
70k front right TPMS tire sensor battery went weak and replaced.
76k replaced the thermostat with the new updated design and flushed coolant (again).
We also take really good care of the truck. When we got it, I changed every fluid from front and rear diffs, transfer case including flushing the brakes with Ford fluid from the dealer. Trans pan was also dropped and filter changed and was extremely clean. All filters were also replaced as well as the spark plugs, battery and both engine drive belts. Coolant was upgraded from the orange to yellow. This was all at about 60-61k miles. The rear brake pads were replaced by the previous owner at 40k and I did them again when I got it at 60k with rotors. At that time the front rotors and pads were brand new with the so I pulled the pads and installed Hawk truck / tow LTS pads which was an amazing upgrade in brake response and stopping power. I myself performed a wheel alignment on the truck at a friends shop and amazed that only the front toe was a hair out of spec which is pretty amazing for 60k plus miles.
I’m hoping I’m just down to an oil pan re seal and maybe Ford will step up and turn the CDF drum TSB into a recall and then I’d really feel the gremlins have been worked out if this truck. I wish I knew if the later CDF drums were improved but the new part really looks to fix that issue since the bushing cannot shift and is locked in. Some people say “oh well it’s a 2018 and first year of production” but besides the plastic oil pan, all the 2018-2021’s seem to have these issues.
Luckily, the suspension is all super tight and the ride is still very good.
What thermostat you replaced with? If your new thermostat is the 180F RT1258, which has been widely discussed here, you may not have CDF drum failure again coz the tranny oil temperature is significantly lowered.
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I have the 180 after seeing how hot it ran when I got it but hate to say even though trans stayed around 190-195 it still failed! Could have been pre damaged from all the time running at 210 or more but hard to say. If I keep the truck I might try an air to fluid exchanger and get the fluid lower and see. That plus a Mishimoto radiator are on my list but I’m really thinking of selling it since I don’t need so much room anymore and the kids have their own cars.
I just ordered a new 2024 xlt max. I am planning to replace the factory thermostat to 180F RT1258 right after I pick it up. Hopefully it will help the tranny. I actually though of adding an air-fluid cooler too, but it is highly likely that tranny factory or esp warranty will be voided by doing this. So I am not sure if I should go that route, no mention the extra 2k to 3k cost.
Left Coast Geek
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2019 Limited Stealth that we bought a few weeks ago, about 62884. Will be putting about 8000 miles on it towing our camper Q1 next year.
Mr Big
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My Heavy Duty Tow package, on my Plat standard wheelbase helps a lot. For what these cost Ford should at least put larger radiators and tranny coolers on al the MAX model.
I finally checked mine. 72,000 miles, 3556 total engine hours, 1109 engine idle hours. So approximately 32% idle vs driving. Registered oil changes show 4 full synthetic oil changes, counting my latest one last week.
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AmeriKEN
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2020... 41,000 miles
oil, tire rotations and just replaced the OE brakes
tires probably before the winter because i'm around 5-6/32" on the OE Dynapro ATMs
TRANSMISSION ISSUES: new valve body and control assembly @ 2-yrs / 24,000 miles
oil, tire rotations and just replaced the OE brakes
tires probably before the winter because i'm around 5-6/32" on the OE Dynapro ATMs
TRANSMISSION ISSUES: new valve body and control assembly @ 2-yrs / 24,000 miles
JakeInTexas
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2022... 41k miles... all put on in 15months. Rotate, oil change with Mobile 1 synthetic every 7k miles.
Tires are about bald due to my antics. Rarely the transmission has a ruff shift at low speeds. Great for road trips, ski trips, pulls the boat around with ease.
Tires are about bald due to my antics. Rarely the transmission has a ruff shift at low speeds. Great for road trips, ski trips, pulls the boat around with ease.
andyak
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2019 platinum 96k. only 3300 hours, 650 idle
just did differentials and transfer fluid.
doing trannie next week along with belts.
this thread just convinced me to get the 180F thermostat.
just bought at 95k - no issues- very slight turbo waste gate rattle at cold startup.
Very nice truck - looks like it has 25k !
just did differentials and transfer fluid.
doing trannie next week along with belts.
this thread just convinced me to get the 180F thermostat.
just bought at 95k - no issues- very slight turbo waste gate rattle at cold startup.
Very nice truck - looks like it has 25k !
SyndicateZ
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2019 Limited stealth
HD Tow package
Bought it used with 56,800 miles from an Audi dealership back in September 2022. Now has 65,395 miles, 2621 engine hours, 690 Idle hours.
Needed the cam phasers replaced about a month into ownership as it had a tick/knocking noise in rythym with engine rpms. I thought it was a bad lifter but after the phasers were replaced it was gone. Both turbo wastegates rattle all the time. Brought it to Ford and they say its normal and also dont have a way/tsb o. how to quite the wastegate rattle unless the whole turbo is replaced in which they wouldnt do even when it was still inder factory powertrain warranty. Other than those isssus it has been flawless.
I have a date with Ford to have the spark plugs replaced on 10/30. Going over 100,000 miles with the originals doesnt sound like a good idea to me.
HD Tow package
Bought it used with 56,800 miles from an Audi dealership back in September 2022. Now has 65,395 miles, 2621 engine hours, 690 Idle hours.
Needed the cam phasers replaced about a month into ownership as it had a tick/knocking noise in rythym with engine rpms. I thought it was a bad lifter but after the phasers were replaced it was gone. Both turbo wastegates rattle all the time. Brought it to Ford and they say its normal and also dont have a way/tsb o. how to quite the wastegate rattle unless the whole turbo is replaced in which they wouldnt do even when it was still inder factory powertrain warranty. Other than those isssus it has been flawless.
I have a date with Ford to have the spark plugs replaced on 10/30. Going over 100,000 miles with the originals doesnt sound like a good idea to me.
S20Workstation4
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2019 Expedition MAX Limited, about to hit 116,000 miles.
- Did Cam Phasers once, Heater Hoses once, Spark Plugs done at 98k, rear brakes done at 102k for 3rd time
- Has a malfunction upstream O2 Sensor, I'll replace that soon.
- Lubed running boards at every oil change (Mobile 1 Full Synthetic 5W-30 every 7,000 miles)
- White Lithium grease used for the running boards, works like a charm.
- Had a couple times where the screen and radio would just quit working, but a quick reset would fix it.
- On 2nd set of tires, going to replace them in the next couple of months due to them being too worn, will replace with Michelin LTX AT/2
- Has had the stuck button problem on the power liftgate for as long as I can remember now, I just learned to not use the button.
Overall a good vehicle, but still like my 2010 better, which I still have. 225K....and counting!
- Did Cam Phasers once, Heater Hoses once, Spark Plugs done at 98k, rear brakes done at 102k for 3rd time
- Has a malfunction upstream O2 Sensor, I'll replace that soon.
- Lubed running boards at every oil change (Mobile 1 Full Synthetic 5W-30 every 7,000 miles)
- White Lithium grease used for the running boards, works like a charm.
- Had a couple times where the screen and radio would just quit working, but a quick reset would fix it.
- On 2nd set of tires, going to replace them in the next couple of months due to them being too worn, will replace with Michelin LTX AT/2
- Has had the stuck button problem on the power liftgate for as long as I can remember now, I just learned to not use the button.
Overall a good vehicle, but still like my 2010 better, which I still have. 225K....and counting!
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