Newbie here, Dead Ins Cluster, Radio, Windows

[Bedrck47]

Thanks for the information. I'm working with a "Ford Expert" on Just Answer.com

He's walking me thru some additional steps. He doesn't believe it's the instrument cluster. He just had me test power at pin 3 of C270g with key in the Run position. C270g is one of the plugs that comes into the fuse box. I'm not getting any power at pin 3, so no power is coming to some of the fuses.

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As I stated earlier I feel your problem is either in the Fuse block, inst cluster or the delay relay or any combination of the three based on the information that has been provided.

If you were to look at the prints you would see that pin 3 of C270g does indeed feed certain fuses, so the statement "C270g is one of the plugs that comes into the fuse box" is correct. But you also need to realize that pin 3 gets it power from the "hot at all times" Bus in the fuse block thru the Ignition switch when the switch is in the run or start position. What the "Ford Expert" should also have you do is to go to connector C250 which is at the Ignition switch and check to see if you have 12 volts at pin 1 on the switch. SEE the attached prints 13-14 and 13-16. If you have voltage at pin 1 when in start or run then the problem is in the wiring harness from the Ign Switch to the fuse block. But if you don't have voltage at pin 1 then the problem could be the Ign Switch or the circuit before the switch

Since I am no expert on automotive electrical systems and rather than trying to add more confusion to your problem since your dealing with a "Ford Expert" I am going to step back into the shadows here and let you continus with "Just Answer.com"

I also totally agree with what stamp11127 has posted.

Kindly keep the forum posted with your progress as it will be interesting to see what solves the problem

 

[mbs xk8]

Roxy, I feel as if I've cheated on you! Please don't think I don't value your expertise!

I used quotation marks for the Ford Expert because I don't know if he is!

Your answers have been more timely and more detailed than what I'm getting on the other web site. I'll take a look at the issues you addressed and get the results on the forum.

Please stay with me!!!

Mike

 

[mbs xk8]

Looks like I need a fuse box. Any good sources other than used ones on eBay or car-part.com?

Thanks for all the help guys. I really appreciate your time and expertise.

Mike

 

[Bedrck47]

Mike
In order for you to see power at pin 3 on C270g you first need to check fuse 102 for power. if you have 12 volts at that fuse then take your meter and with C270g still connected to the fuse block place one lead in C270g pin 4 and the other lead to ground Check for 12 volts

In order for power to appear at pin 3 of C270g The power leaves the fuse block from fuse 102 and goes out thru pin 4 of C270g it then goes thru the wire harness to connector C250 pin 4. It then goes thru the Ign switch and exits on C250 pin 1. Thru the wire harness it returns to the fuse block on C270g pin 3

Have attached a copy of the pin layout for C270g
Have also sent you a PM

Bob M

 

[mbs xk8]

Thanks!

Where do if in C250 and the pin locations?

 

[Bedrck47]

C250 is at the Ign. switch in the steering column

did you check for voltage at pin 4 of C270g with it still plugged into the fuse block that would be the LG/VT wire

 

[mbs xk8]

Thanks.

Yes, I checked and there is voltage at Pin 4 of C270g.

 

[Bedrck47]

that means that the voltage is going out of the fuse block and since you had no voltage coming back into the fuse block on pin 3 of C270g that would indicate that the problem is in the ignition switch

time to pull the switch and test it

 

[Bedrck47]

the easiest way to test this would be to remove C270g from the fuse block then using a ohm meter connected to pins 3 and 4 turn the key to the run and start position to see if you have continuity

 

[mbs xk8]

Okay great! Can you walk me thru this, too?

 

[Bedrck47]

my previous post explains what you need to do look at the print for C270g and connect to pins 3 and 4 then turn the key to start and run and see what reading you get on the ohm meter

 

[Bedrck47]

need for you to verify that you had 12 volts at pin 4 of C270g with the connector plugged into the fuse block again that is the LG/VT wire

 

[mbs xk8]

Yep, we've got power at Pin 4 on C270g.

 

[Bedrck47]

ok did you check for continuity on pins 3 and 4 as stated in my previous post

 

[mbs xk8]

Yes we have continuity between pic 3 and 4.

 

[Bedrck47]

what position was the key in

 

[Bedrck47]

do you have 12 volts going into and coming out of fuse 102

 

[mbs xk8]

Tested continuity in run and start position

And we have power at 102 fuse

 

[Bedrck47]

ok If you have continuity from pin 4 to pin 3 Then you should have 12 volts at pin 3 with the connector connected to the fuse block

What I want you to do is have everything reconnected Then start the Expy Then check for 12 volts at the following fuses #1,7,13,14,15,16 and 17 check both sides of the fuse and post the results

 

[mbs xk8]

Okay, here are the results. All fuses have power (13+) except #7
(left term) (right term)
#1 - 13.95 13.96
#7 - .3 .4
#13 - 13.89 13.89
#14 - 13.89 13.89
#15 - 13.88 13.89
#16 - 13.29 13.88
#17 - 13.89 13.88