I did. I specifically asked if this was the Nivomat shock, and she said it's a Ford branded shock. I asked her if she was absolutely certain that mechanical load leveling rear suspension is standard now and she replied she is 100% sure. Makes sense, too, as otherwise it should still be optional on the 2018s. I pointed out the two inconsistencies on their website, she forwarded the info on so they could correct the website. I suppose one could look at the parts numbers on the 2018 and the 2017 with the option.
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Edistobob
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I'm totally confused about this load-leveling question. The following is quoted from a post on the Limited vs Platinum thread:
"The brochure has the matrix of every feature available, and where.
I'm sad they no longer have auto-leveling suspension at all, unless the CCD maintains that feature somehow.
CCD does not do auto-leveling. CCD delivers ride quality type of enhancements, Normal, Sport, or Comfort. Mine stays in Normal 90% of the time."
Can anyone that actually owns and is using one of these things verify whether or not the load-leveling is an option, is standard equipment, or is available at all?
"The brochure has the matrix of every feature available, and where.
I'm sad they no longer have auto-leveling suspension at all, unless the CCD maintains that feature somehow.
CCD does not do auto-leveling. CCD delivers ride quality type of enhancements, Normal, Sport, or Comfort. Mine stays in Normal 90% of the time."
Can anyone that actually owns and is using one of these things verify whether or not the load-leveling is an option, is standard equipment, or is available at all?
deweysmith
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It's not listed as available at all in any literature. Shannon is wrong, or Ford puts it as standard on all Expedition models and doesn't mention it even the slightest bit.
I'll let you decide which is more likely.
I'll let you decide which is more likely.
aggiegrad05
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I'm an owner and I'm stumped.
If you look at some of the early press about the vehicle (I'm talking February of 2017) load-leveling was expressly mentioned as a feature that would be maintained in the update from MY2017 to MY2018 (see here: https://www.cars.com/articles/2018-ford-expedition-preview-1420693342476 and here: https://www.autotrader.com/car-reviews/2018-ford-expedition-new-car-review-270444).
But I agree with dewey that the feature does not show up anywhere in the current marketing literature from Ford as being a feature on the 2018's.
That being said, the 2018 manual, in the section on towing, does make reference to vehicles with leveling suspension, and vehicles without (see below). So I don't know what to think. Because I agree it would be odd for Ford to ignore that in their marketing literature, but why list it in the manual if it's not offered? Maybe it was originally going to be offered? Maybe it will be someday?
If you look at some of the early press about the vehicle (I'm talking February of 2017) load-leveling was expressly mentioned as a feature that would be maintained in the update from MY2017 to MY2018 (see here: https://www.cars.com/articles/2018-ford-expedition-preview-1420693342476 and here: https://www.autotrader.com/car-reviews/2018-ford-expedition-new-car-review-270444).
But I agree with dewey that the feature does not show up anywhere in the current marketing literature from Ford as being a feature on the 2018's.
That being said, the 2018 manual, in the section on towing, does make reference to vehicles with leveling suspension, and vehicles without (see below). So I don't know what to think. Because I agree it would be odd for Ford to ignore that in their marketing literature, but why list it in the manual if it's not offered? Maybe it was originally going to be offered? Maybe it will be someday?
Edistobob
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The owners manual also mentions setting up the trailer-mounted TPMS and camera system (which is available accessory on Super Duty trucks), but no one can give me an answer about whether or not it is actually available for the Expy. The parts manual shows compatibility only for the Super Duty. I asked my dealer the same question about why would it be in the manual. His reply: that first-edition manuals often contain errors. I suppose they may cut and paste sections of other manuals when putting together new ones. In the case of the self-leveling suspension, maybe the manual contains it in error.
shane_th_ee
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I'd love to be able to integrate a trailer camera system... I think it's a typo.
Second printing didn’t have it as far as I can tell.
https://owner.ford.com/tools/accoun...lts.html?make=Ford&model=Expedition&year=2018
aggiegrad05
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Yep...Page 279
Edistobob
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And the information references to a Trailer TPMS also are still in the 2nd printing, see page 134
I called my local Ford dealer and spoke with the parts guy. His Dad just bought a 2018 Platinum and it does come with load leveling shocks standard. Kinda puts the lie to the threads that bad mouth the 2018 vs 2017 because of squat when towing.
I don’t see load leveling for a part here. https://parts.ford.com/shop/SearchD...umber=1&searchTerm=Shocks&searchTermPrepared=
aggiegrad05
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If you run a MY-specific search for "leveling," the load-leveling compressor comes up when you search under 2017 parts. It does NOT come up when you search under 2018 parts.
Still not convinced. I haven’t seen anything that proves it has this technology. I have not seen any ZF literature stating they offer both technologies together. CDC and Nivomat. One thing is for sure is that the Expedition does use the ZF CDC technology. Someone find some proof! Would be interested to know. Whether it does or doesn’t, the Nivomat technology is pretty damn innovative!
Even with load leveling, i thought a common complaint for the last gen expys was that even with the option it wouldnt level the vehicle? That or ppl didnt know how to work their lls? Could be the same for these. I do remember that lls was std in 2014, then becane an option in 2015 to 2017. Its weird that its not even std, but i dnt need it.
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