Paint issues on aluminum

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Ford only covers it fully until 36k miles, so has anybody had the paint corrosion issues we have send on third gen tailgates and hoods?
 

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Ford only covers it fully until 36k miles, so has anybody had the paint corrosion issues we have send on third gen tailgates and hoods?
This is a fourth gen forum and I doubt anyone is experiencing this on any 2018s seeing as how ppl have only just started posting that they got them in like November.
 
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This is a fourth gen forum and I doubt anyone is experiencing this on any 2018s seeing as how ppl have only just started posting that they got them in like November.

It was intentional. I should have been more clear has any Fourth Gen owners seen the paint bubbling. Going through the third gen thread some noticed it within 2-3 months of new on third gen.
 

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There is no way a 4th gen is experiencing this, if it was ford would keep it hush and fix it quick, too new. The problem takes a good few years before it even begins to surface. Eventually they will, Fords aluminum corrosion and paint peeling tsb extends right from 2000-PRESENT F-150 models so the panel contamination/ galvanic corrosion problem was never resolved. The expys are built with dissimilar metals so naturally that also contributes to the problems. (Steel frames, varying panel materials). It's not hurting anything but appearance.
 
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It was intentional. I should have been more clear has any Fourth Gen owners seen the paint bubbling. Going through the third gen thread some noticed it within 2-3 months of new on third gen.
I would hope that for an almost $80k price tag that they have figured this out by now. I feel sorry for any 4G owners who have to deal with that crap
 

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So, unless I missed it, there's no factory remedy for 3rd generation corrosion? 2014 LTD showing signs on rear lift gate and lift gate frame.
 

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1st gens had aluminum hoods and tailgates. Poor surface prep(so, they claimed) caused all the paint problems on 2ND Gens. My guess if any body or paint repair, is not done properly, can also cause it.
 

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So, unless I missed it, there's no factory remedy for 3rd generation corrosion? 2014 LTD showing signs on rear lift gate and lift gate frame.
My dealership acknowledged that there is an issue. There’s a TSB in regards to newer fords somewhere in the threads on third gen side. I’m going to see what my options are in a few weeks
 

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My dealership acknowledged that there is an issue. There’s a TSB in regards to newer fords somewhere in the threads on third gen side. I’m going to see what my options are in a few weeks
The TSB is from 2000-2018 model year vehicles, there is no solution. Only temporary cosmetic relief. If they figured it out it wouldn't have to be applied to current production vehicles. You can respray every few years if you really want the appearance to stay perfect. Some never even get the issue but lots do.
 
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As I read the TSB it says replacement of the affected panel is a fix. Wouldn't that be a solution to the problem?
 

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As I read the TSB it says replacement of the affected panel is a fix. Wouldn't that be a solution to the problem?
Until they replace it with another contaminated panel and your back in the same boat
 

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Until they replace it with another contaminated panel and your back in the same boat
So if you ever scratch or damage your aluminum F150, you may be opening a can of worms?
 
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So if you ever scratch or damage your aluminum F150, you may be opening a can of worms?

You don’t have to scratch it for it to happen. It starts occurring under the paint and shows up usually along the edges where the aluminum was bent/stressed to roll the edges over. The best theory I have heard for this is dissimilar metals/galvanic corrosion from iron contamination in the aluminum.

In fact if the paint comes off when the dealer inspects it, it is more likely to be covered. In my case the dealer when the escalated it with Ford used double sided mounding tape on a bubble. Left the backing on the one side, just a very strong tape and pulled it back with some of the paint coming off. To quote the service manager, “That’s bad but in a good way for you”

If you own a boat dissimilar metals is why you have sacrificial zincs to protect the propeller on some boats.

EDIT: Sure looks small in that image but it spreads from there. This is also a Certified Pre-Owned that was driven off the lot two weeks before we first noticed it.
 

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You don’t have to scratch it for it to happen. It starts occurring under the paint and shows up usually along the edges where the aluminum was bent/stressed to roll the edges over. The best theory I have heard for this is dissimilar metals/galvanic corrosion from iron contamination in the aluminum.

In fact if the paint comes off when the dealer inspects it, it is more likely to be covered. In my case the dealer when the escalated it with Ford used double sided mounding tape on a bubble. Left the backing on the one side, just a very strong tape and pulled it back with some of the paint coming off. To quote the service manager, “That’s bad but in a good way for you”

If you own a boat dissimilar metals is why you have sacrificial zincs to protect the propeller on some boats.

EDIT: Sure looks small in that image but it spreads from there. This is also a Certified Pre-Owned that was driven off the lot two weeks before we first noticed it.
I know Ford, wrote the book on trucks. I can't understand why they are going with new engines and bodies, that may not hold up. Yes, they may be fine, but the "what if" factor comes into play. The resale will definitely take a hit. The GM/Chevy trucks are pulling, the best resale. They are still using V8's and steel bodies. I would rather see body panels, like Saturn used. They don't rust or dent. They were made with same material most car bumpers are.
 

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You don’t have to scratch it for it to happen. It starts occurring under the paint and shows up usually along the edges where the aluminum was bent/stressed to roll the edges over. The best theory I have heard for this is dissimilar metals/galvanic corrosion from iron contamination in the aluminum.

In fact if the paint comes off when the dealer inspects it, it is more likely to be covered. In my case the dealer when the escalated it with Ford used double sided mounding tape on a bubble. Left the backing on the one side, just a very strong tape and pulled it back with some of the paint coming off. To quote the service manager, “That’s bad but in a good way for you”

If you own a boat dissimilar metals is why you have sacrificial zincs to protect the propeller on some boats.

EDIT: Sure looks small in that image but it spreads from there. This is also a Certified Pre-Owned that was driven off the lot two weeks before we first noticed it.
Yeah it’s in the prepping of the metal before painting. Surface isn’t cleaned off appropriately so the metals react with each other and thus cause paint to bubble.
 

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Location is lip of rear liftgate. 2016 Platinum el. Luckily it’s on the interior so you can’t see itD502358D-4011-472C-BBBF-65A626000644.jpegB661F444-48AD-4057-A2E2-4DDDDDBADDAB.jpegD5543FE8-4DC1-431A-9C3C-E299CDAA3E94.jpeg
 

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From the 2016 Model Year Ford Warranty Guide page 11


If aluminum body panels have corrosion or rust damage, and the damage is not the result of abnormal usage, vehicle accident, customer actions and/or extreme environmental conditions, the corrosion or rust damage repairs are covered for 5 years, unlimited miles.
 
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From the 2016 Model Year Ford Warranty Guide page 11


If aluminum body panels have corrosion or rust damage, and the damage is not the result of abnormal usage, vehicle accident, customer actions and/or extreme environmental conditions, the corrosion or rust damage repairs are covered for 5 years, unlimited miles.
I escalated under that with Ford. I even suggested I would consider options under lemon laws. I got a call back from somebody claiming to be a regional manager they said that only applies if corrosion goes through the panel. It does not apply to bubbling or scaling of paint. They first tried to blame it on salt on the roads. I pointed out I was in California and they replied oh then it is salt air, I pointed out I was in Sacramento. Then they fell back on it only applies to through body panel corrosion.

EDIT: To clarify after trying to talk to Ford myself I went to the dealer when my initial car registration arrived already past due and essentially camped their sale floor until they started acting on my list of issues. Then the service center escalated it, was asked by Ford to put moulding tape on it to test. Then Ford covered repainting.
 
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Well... we vote with our dollars. I wonder if GMCs are having a similar problem? Just sayin'...
 
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