RIP: 2019 expedition finally died today in the middle of the road - UPDATE blown engine @ 29k miles

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Appears Ford will be buying that engine. You have been through the drill enough with this vehicle with repairs. Trade out of it. It will probably be months for that to be rectified especially if a busy shop. IMHO. Sorry to see that happened to you.
 

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Wow holy crap. I assume they give you a rental? Any reimbursements since you’re still making payments?


I’m driving a 2016 Ford Fusion 4-door that is a service loaner. No payment on my vehicle.

Earlier in 2022, it took the same Ford dealer 51 days to repair the transmission (after diagnosis) due to lack of parts availability from Ford.

The vehicle has been under a front HVAC blower motor fire safety recall since August 2022. Ford estimates the part may be available by March 2023.
 

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Seems like you can’t win. As much as I like the K2XX Suburban I’ve seen many guys on that side bend pushrods and wipe cams. I’m afraid to lose my condenser the most to be honest, seems like they go after 3-4 years and I’m right there. The Fords have the camphasers and coolant leaks it seems. Now blowing motors lol. Nothing is perfect. What’s left? Dodge? No thanks
 

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Curious how many of these are 2nd owner ie used with unknown history?
My 19 has been flawless however Ecoboost engines don’t take kindly to poor oil maintenance and abusive use. Then again there isn’t a single turbo engine in production that won’t be a pile of junk quickly with the stunts people pull.
 

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The service manager showed me this today, destroyed rockers etc., will need a new enSeems like you can’t win. As much as I like the K2XX Suburban I’ve seen many guys on that side bend pushrods and wipe cams. I’m afraid to lose my condenser the most to be honest, seems like they go after 3-4 years and I’m right there. The Fords have the camphasers and coolant leaks it seems. Now blowing motors lol. Nothing is perfect. What’s left? Dodge? No thanks
Lookn' like its gonna have to be a foreign vehicle on my next purchase with 100,000 mile/10 year warranty they offer as well..
 
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Curious how many of these are 2nd owner ie used with unknown history?
My 19 has been flawless however Ecoboost engines don’t take kindly to poor oil maintenance and abusive use. Then again there isn’t a single turbo engine in production that won’t be a pile of junk quickly with the stunts people pull.
I got it new and first owner, oil changes every 5k on full syn from the dealer, but I guess I was unlucky when my engine was built.

But it does make me wonder when I got my cam phasers replaced could it have been possible the tech messed up the install?
 

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That's one ugly rocker. Maybe the timing chain jumped? If they didn't do the tensioners or screwed them up when the phasers were replaced, that seems like a logical explanation.

Either way, hopefully since you're getting an entirely new engine it can be sourced more quickly that just waiting on parts.

Good luck.
 

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I'd say its pretty safe bet the cam phaser work was fd up and caused this.

Just so you know, Ford will likely get you a "remanufactured" engine, not a NEW one. They did this with my wife Navigator. Sad but true.
 
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I'd say its pretty safe bet the cam phaser work was fd up and caused this.

Just so you know, Ford will likely get you a "remanufactured" engine, not a NEW one. They did this with my wife Navigator. Sad but true.
I can believe that. Anything to save cost and kill owner loyality and reputation.
 
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Very sorry to read this and it’s really crappy of Ford to not put you in an expy loaner after all you’ve been through.
 

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I got it new and first owner, oil changes every 5k on full syn from the dealer, but I guess I was unlucky when my engine was built.

But it does make me wonder when I got my cam phasers replaced could it have been possible the tech messed up the install?
Dealer work definitely causes a major % of big failures in all brands. 28 yrs of Toyota’s and Subarus my only issues were dealer done work which only pushed me to doing as much of my own as possible. I would also put a high probability on your oil changes being half done or in some cases not at all. Always check dealer work and do some research ahead of time and ideally mark parts that you know need to be replaced or moved to do a job. If they aren’t then start asking questions.

Vehicle maintenance and repair is the most scammed thing people deal with on a regular basis. With home HVAC service being a Tie.

Whatever they did was most definitely nothing close to factory assembly quality. In fact I bet you would still have it but be noisy had you just left it alone for the phaser issue.
 
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Also I remember the transmission was starting to act up, like it wouldn't go into gear sometimes when putting it in R and then it would be quite abrupt, also one time D I hit the gas and nothing for 1/2 second and it kicked in hard, the rear wheels even chirped on dry pavement.
 

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The service manager showed me this today, destroyed rockers etc., will need a new engine

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These roller followers probably failed due to piston hitting the actuated valves. Most probably something wasn't torqued/installed right when the cam phasers were replaced. Sad to see this happening :(
 

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Good lord. What's all over the road, coolant? I know that typically only the bad stuff gets posted in places like this, but I'm REALLY not seeing anything positive. Almost have to stop coming here, I think it's causing me to stress out more about being an Expy owner than I should. Sorry for your troubles, definitely interested in seeing what they find for you. Are you pretty much over it at this point?
100% I also have a 2019, Max. I can feel the anxiety creeping in just reading this. Mine was built in sept 2019. I had to take a break from here because it was all bad news. I LOVE my Max and it has been a fantastic vehicle in the 8 months we've had it. Stinks for this person, but I would like to believe there are lemons across all makes.
 

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Perhaps it’s time to invest a thousand into a good attorney with experience dealing with Ford. Not a local one but a firm who deals with manufacturers and faulty dealerships/shops more often than not……
 
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