Vipersinu2
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Ugh smh,
For sale 2019 Navigator 13k miles
Buying this
For sale 2019 Navigator 13k miles
Buying this
SHOPPING FOR A NEW EXPEDITION
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aggiegrad05
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You think an Alfa (especially a quad) is going to of higher quality and reliability than your Lincoln!?!?!??
scottdm
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Assume his evaluation process must not include reliability or similar feature content as the Navi if he's serious about the Alfa. Feature content (seating, towing, etc, etc) is apples and oranges. Why not wait for the new Escalade, etc....
aggiegrad05
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They’re damn sexy. And fast.
Vipersinu2
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The 505 hp ferrari engine is wicked fast. The fluid in the back of my eyes could not handle the torque, I cant focus on the road in race mode full throttle. 0 to 60 in 3.5, crazy fast
The 1.1g cornering is awsome.
Down side. Its small
No GM in this house. GM was junk and is junk and never buy again, The new escalade kinda was a thought out in space, but I will not by 1st year model, or a gm. I have had fords for the last 30 years and liked the quality. Now I think ford is junk. Navigator is plain out shit show racing to beat the escalade. Well they failed in my opinion. a hyundai has the same or better quality than the lincoln, sad to say. I like to buy American and proud of it. What happed ford?
The 1.1g cornering is awsome.
Down side. Its small
No GM in this house. GM was junk and is junk and never buy again, The new escalade kinda was a thought out in space, but I will not by 1st year model, or a gm. I have had fords for the last 30 years and liked the quality. Now I think ford is junk. Navigator is plain out shit show racing to beat the escalade. Well they failed in my opinion. a hyundai has the same or better quality than the lincoln, sad to say. I like to buy American and proud of it. What happed ford?
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aggiegrad05
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The 505 hp ferrari engine is wicked fast. The fluid in the back of my eyes could not handle the torque, I cant focus on the road in race mode full throttle. 0 to 60 in 3.5, crazy fast
The 1.1g cornering is awsome.
Down side. Its small
No GM in this house. GM was junk and is junk and never buy again, The new escalade kinda was a thought out in space, but I will not by 1st year model, or a gm. I have had fords for the last 30 years and liked the quality. Now I think ford is junk. Navigator is plain out shit show racing to beat the escalade. Well they fail in my opinion. a hyundai has the same or better quality that the lincoln, sad to say. I like to buy American and proud of it. What happed ford?
I wish you luck, truly. I’m sorry you have had a bad experience. You have more faith in an Alfa built by FCA than I do. But I guess if you’re buying something like that you expect some...intricacies, whereas one does not when buying domestic.
I believe that if Ford does not sell over a certain percentage of vehicles with the 3.73 axle ratio, the axle ratio do not influence the EPA rating. According to the EPA, the Navigator gets 1 MPG less than the Expedition. All Navigators have the 3.73 axle. However, they also have a more powerful version of the EB engine. So, if EPA ratings are to believed, the worst case scenario is 1 MPG less. I suspect part of that difference is the more powerful engine. This is true for both 4WD and 2WD versions.
My guess is you will not see a difference around town fuel economy and you will notice a difference of less than 1 MPG on the highway be changing the axle ratio. When I did my test drive, the 3.73 felt more powerful than the 3.31 axle ratio.
My guess is you will not see a difference around town fuel economy and you will notice a difference of less than 1 MPG on the highway be changing the axle ratio. When I did my test drive, the 3.73 felt more powerful than the 3.31 axle ratio.
aggiegrad05
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I’d agree with all that. You’re going to feel more power on the 3.73, and your mpg difference will be negligible. I didn’t buy the 3.31 to save gas and if you do so you’re fooling yourself. I bought the 3.31 because I didn’t need the extra towing capacity.
Doug Shumway
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Haha!!! Yeah...I’m a musician so I always swap out the stock stereo!
Thanks for the heads up!
Thanks for the heads up!
Almost bought non HD Tow as my camper is 3100# dry. Then I realized it did not have the integrated brake controller and I did want that. I don't use the Backup Assist, yet the Electronic Limited Slip has already saved me from getting stuck. Have 12K miles with 10k towing. My camper loaded for camping weighs 4200#. Previously towed same camper for 5 years with a 2013 Yukon. It did good w/no problems, however this XLT is awesome- very glad to have HD Tow!
Warning Doug, if you put more than 22 kegs of beer in your 3000 lb trailer you will be over max load. For that reason alone you should consider the HD tow package. [emoji481] This means
HD tow can save fuel consumption (less Trips to market for beverage.
Both sides of the discussion have merit. I looked hard to find a reasonable price on a used expy 302A with HD tow or a 303A which come with it. Tomorrow I'm picking up a platinum without the tow package OTD $53K. I only found one 303A it was listed $3k more and 5k more miles than the one I chose. It was sold before I could see it.
I wish Ford offered a "performance cooling" option. Most folks don't need HD tow but could benefit from a more robust cooling system based on their driving habits (heavy foot [emoji4], lots of mountains, hot climate). Maybe they could call it a global warming prep package GWPP.
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HD tow can save fuel consumption (less Trips to market for beverage.
Both sides of the discussion have merit. I looked hard to find a reasonable price on a used expy 302A with HD tow or a 303A which come with it. Tomorrow I'm picking up a platinum without the tow package OTD $53K. I only found one 303A it was listed $3k more and 5k more miles than the one I chose. It was sold before I could see it.
I wish Ford offered a "performance cooling" option. Most folks don't need HD tow but could benefit from a more robust cooling system based on their driving habits (heavy foot [emoji4], lots of mountains, hot climate). Maybe they could call it a global warming prep package GWPP.
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I'd just like to know how they come-up with their "max tow rating." In the last 10 years, I've become quite dubious of most manufacturer tow ratings. Based on what I've seen from late-model rigs, for at least the 1/2-tons and below (including the Expy), I'm pretty leery of towing more than 75% ...maybe 80% total declared "max towing capacity." As anecdotal evidence, I towed my 6200# camper (GVWR) for camping trip last weekend (with the max HD trailering package) and saw some pretty scary trans temps here in Arizona (going-up grades). We didn't even have water or waste in the tanks ...going-up or coming back, because we went to a campground with full hookups. (So, I was probably closer to 6000#). I did have 6 people in the car, including myself, but virtually nothing else except a bag of tools and a roadside 12V air-compressor (5#).
If I was trying to tow a 8000#...or 9000# camper, I may have had a virtually new Expy with a fried transmission. I intend on going much, much slower on the significant uphill grades next time to see if that makes a major difference, but it's pretty aggravating to get stuck behind a 15-20mph semi going-up a steep, two-lane grade. I guess it's what I'm going to have to start doing to hope this 10R80 lasts.
Seems to me that towing capacity should be based on a 6-7% grade and at least 110F temps outside. I bet we'd see them drop the base Expy to 4500-5000# max and the HD towing package down to 7800-8400#. Gotta wonder (and I saw the hate for GM earlier ...but I've owned 'em all, and had frustrating problems with them all) ...but maybe the Tahoe / Suburban / Yukons would have handled my trailer better (if they're more honest with their towing numbers ...basing them on extreme conditions).
If I was trying to tow a 8000#...or 9000# camper, I may have had a virtually new Expy with a fried transmission. I intend on going much, much slower on the significant uphill grades next time to see if that makes a major difference, but it's pretty aggravating to get stuck behind a 15-20mph semi going-up a steep, two-lane grade. I guess it's what I'm going to have to start doing to hope this 10R80 lasts.
Seems to me that towing capacity should be based on a 6-7% grade and at least 110F temps outside. I bet we'd see them drop the base Expy to 4500-5000# max and the HD towing package down to 7800-8400#. Gotta wonder (and I saw the hate for GM earlier ...but I've owned 'em all, and had frustrating problems with them all) ...but maybe the Tahoe / Suburban / Yukons would have handled my trailer better (if they're more honest with their towing numbers ...basing them on extreme conditions).
Dice Roll
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Problem with that is, you are “spending the guys money for him” too. Just because the delivery isn’t what you want it to be, doesn’t mean it’s wrong. Being a control freak about what others post and how they post it is a personal problem, not a reason to attack it.
Still no proof of your mpg claim and worrying about 1200 bucks on a 50-70k purchase is implying somebody is stretching to afford it. That’s about 20 bucks a month based on the way they finance these things. Way cheaper than finding out like a lot of guys have that they want to upgrade.
aggiegrad05
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Oh, we’re still doing this? Ok.
So in the future I’m supposed to buy everything the manufacturer offers because I might need it some day.
And so I guess everyone should buy the Max (or L if a Navi) because they might find out they wanted to upgrade to more space. Oh, and 4wd, might want that some day. What else do I need to buy just in case?
I got it, friend, you believe the 3.73 is superior and required. I made my point so I’ll be done with it.
