Starting Problem Ideas?

[1955moose]

True, but if the op can't tell the difference between volts, ohms, etc shouldn't be using one to begin with!

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[ARiley23]

Hopefully I'll have time maybe tomorrow to mess around with it. I'll let you guys know what I find.
Thanks for all the help so far!!

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[Bedrck47]

Do you have the owners manual that shows the fuse boxes and fuse locations??

 

[ARiley23]

Do you have the owners manual that shows the fuse boxes and fuse locations??

Yes I do.

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[rjdelp7]

Bedrck47 like to impress people with his, confusing complicated ideas. He is not on here to help people. He trolls and argues with people. Try the bulb test light. I rigged one with an old headlamp. It took ten minutes to find and fix mine.

 

[Bedrck47]

Bedrck47 like to impress people with his, confusing complicated ideas. He is not on here to help people. He trolls and argues with people. Try the bulb test light. I rigged one with an old headlamp. It took ten minutes to find and fix mine.

LOOK IDIOT TELL ME HOW MANY AMPS YOU WERE DRAWING WHEN YOU USED THE LIGHT BULB Read my post again it is apparent that you didn't understand what I stated

I will agree that the light bulb will show your drawing some amps BUT YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW MANY AMPS ARE BEING DRAWN

Maybe if you posted correct and better information You wouldn't need to be corrected.

 

[rjdelp7]

LOOK IDIOT TELL ME HOW MANY AMPS YOU WERE DRAWING WHEN YOU USED THE LIGHT BULB Read my post again it is apparent that you didn't understand what I stated

I will agree that the light bulb will show your drawing some amps BUT YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW MANY AMPS ARE BEING DRAWN

Maybe if you posted correct and better information You wouldn't need to be corrected.

It is pretty obvious, you enjoy having "fun" with people. What difference does the amps make? A .03 of amp will not light a bulb. Any significant drain will light it. You don't need a $60 dollar mutimeter. This guy may not have a parasitic drain. No one here, appreciates your condescending sarcasm or abuse.

 

[Bedrck47]

It is pretty obvious, you enjoy have "fun" with people. What difference does the amps make? A .03 of amp will not light a bulb. Any significant drain will light it. You don't need a $60 dollar mutimeter. This guy may not have a parasitic drain. No one here, appreciates your condescending sarcasm or abuse.

I wonder why all the videos on you tube show people using a meter to check parasitic drain use a mete.r According to your logic they must be doing it wrong.

You may be correct that the OP may not have a parasitic drain.
HOWEVER I HAVEN'T noticed that you offered any advice to help him other that telling him to put a light bulb is series with the negative battery cable.

But then being you an expert on testing for a parasitic drain he should listen to you and disregard all the videos on you tube in which they use a meter.

 

[rjdelp7]

I wonder why all the videos on you tube show people using a meter to check parasitic drain use a mete.r According to your logic they must be doing it wrong.

You may be correct that the OP may not have a parasitic drain.
HOWEVER I HAVEN'T noticed that you offered any advice to help him other that telling him to put a light bulb is series with the negative battery cable.

But then being you an expert on testing for a parasitic drain he should listen to you and disregard all the videos on you tube in which they use a meter.

I am not expert like you claim to be. I was passing on info, from this forum that helped me. It wasn't hard to find draw and see a change when correct fuse was pulled.

 

[stamp11127]

1995moose, reading back through the replies I saw your comment on parasitic drain and corroded cables.

Corroded cables increase resistance in the circuit, they do not cause a constant drain when everything is turned off. Same idea of a valve in a water line/hose. The more the valve is closed the higher the resistance and reduced flow is the result. As resistance increases in electricity, voltage and amperage usually reduce. Constant power devices are an exception.

Starters are classified as constant power motors - they will use any combination of voltage and amps to operate. Throw in resistance with corrosion and the available voltage at the starter drops. This causes a higher amp draw to compensate. You get to a point that the wear on the starter solenoid contacts is excessive and can weld them together or pits them so there isn't current flowing through them.

Parasitic draw - basically something in the circuits isn't powering down into sleep mode or is stuck in the "on" state or electronically failed to an "on" state. This allows current to flow and over time will drain a battery. The amount of drain determines how fast the battery discharges. It can range from milliamps to amps. This is one time less is better.

 

[1955moose]

I was just throwing out what happened to me in a isolated incidence. I know that diagnosis of an automotive electrical system is a series of steps with yes or no answers on the flow chart. I was throwing out a cheap hail Mary pass, that worked in my situation! As with any diagnosis, cheating can either work, or leave you with egg on your face!

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[nynd]

Did you change the starter? Saw you wrote starter "relay" - the starter has a solenoid on it, could be a loose cable to starter/ solenoid slowly going.

 

[ARiley23]

Did you change the starter? Saw you wrote starter "relay" - the starter has a solenoid on it, could be a loose cable to starter/ solenoid slowly going.

Starter is the only thing I have changed. Going to pull it off this weekend and have it tested. And figure out if I have a parasitic draw aswell


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[mshields8]

I have this problem with my 2001. No start, just a click. My problem is in the steering wheel/gearshift interlock switch. It just started this action a little while ago. I have to hold the gearshift lever up hard in the Park position, jiggle the steering wheel and voila, it starts. Sometimes two or three tries are needed but it has always worked for me.

 

[ARiley23]

Hey guys sorry been busy. So I guess good news and bad news. The vehicle was starting good the past couple of days it had been warmer here. But I let it sit for 2 days without starting it and it was dead this morning.
Had some time today to look at it and test it. Did the parasitic draw test with the new meter and it still read zero. Picture attached is what I had it set on. I disconnected negative terminal put one lead on the terminal connector and one on the battery post and nothing it read zero battery was fully charged as well.
But i did notice my amp for my subwoofers was staying on when the vehicle was off so I pulled the fuses on the amp to shut it off.

 

[Bedrck47]

If your battery is charged and the meter is reading 0.00 I would suggest that you re-connect the meter put it on 1the 10 amp scale just like you have in the pictures Hook it up and open a door so the interior lights come on and take a reading of the amps it draws That way you can be certain that there is some draw caused by the interior lights

 

[theoldwizard1]

Did the parasitic draw test with the new meter and it still read zero. Picture attached is what I had it set on. I disconnected negative terminal put one lead on the terminal connector and one on the battery post and nothing it read zero battery was fully charged as well.

Good we know where you are starting !

If your battery is charged and the meter is reading 0.00 I would suggest that you re-connect the meter put it on the 10 amp scale just like you have in the pictures Hook it up and open a door so the interior lights come on and take a reading of the amps it draws That way you can be certain that there is some draw caused by the interior lights

Go way to start ! It will likely show a couple of amps.

You can safely place the red lead on the "V Ω mA" connection on the meter and switch the meter to the 200 mA scale, then repeat the "open the door" test. This lower scale is much more accurate. DO NOT TURN ON ANY HEAVY LOADS like the head lights or the subwoofer amp !

 

[stamp11127]

May want to rethink a 200ma range for that test. One 906 bulb draws .69amps (690 ma). More than one bulb will come on when the door is opened which lowers the total resistance in the circuit, increasing the amount of current draw. End result blown fuse or toasted meter.

Normally there is 300 - 500ma draw for the keep alive memory spread out among the various modules and microprocessors.

His meter isn't fairing very well in reviews:
http://www.southwiretools.com/tools/tools/10030S

Buy cheap - get cheap.

Precisely why there is a Fluke in my box.