Sure wish Ford would offer the 5.0 on the Expedition,Which F150 engine would a Ford Technician pick?

[theoldwizard1]

Just to rest my case I’ll add that Ford sees a use for the V8 because they are spending millions developing two new V8 engines as we speak....if there were no use they wouldn’t spend their precious development money!

Those are targeted at big pickups (F350-F550), Medium Duty (F650-F750), motor homes and school buses.

Could the new 7.3L gas go in an Expedition ? Sure ! But it would take a lot of work.

Totally different emission regulations. You would need a bigger transmission (and likely changes to the floor pan). The real killer would be the rear suspension and axle. Both would have to be replaced.

 

[JExpedition07]

Those are targeted at big pickups (F350-F550), Medium Duty (F650-F750), motor homes and school buses.

Could the new 7.3L gas go in an Expedition ? Sure ! But it would take a lot of work.

Totally different emission regulations. You would need a bigger transmission (and likely changes to the floor pan). The real killer would be the rear suspension and axle. Both would have to be replaced.

The new 7.3L V8 engine is slated to be available on all Super Duties.... F-250+ trucks according to some ford insiders.

There is rumors flying around about a smaller V8 engine in the pipeline as well, but unconfirmed as of yet unlike the 7.3.

Makes sense, the 6.2L V8 is great but could use either a refresh or replacement. It’s possible the 6.2L is receiving new power enhanced heads and being relaunched as well.

 

[Adieu]

This just came up last week on F-150 forum regarding the sales. Articles claim 25% are 5.0....the survey at F-150 forum found about 40% of 2018 buyers purchased the 5.0. It was the most purchased engine in the poll.

Obviously that can’t be taken as fact as it’s a survey. Most members of forums have the V8 apparently, is all that proves.

Forum members tend to have a far higher % of enthusiasts versus the general public owner...and active forum members? Higher still.

Plenty of shoppers care more about the shiney color than little things like cylinder count, 4x4, bed size, etc. anyway

 

[gtncpa]

The 5.0 is a great engine ... but it is a high revving beast ... not well suited for the Expedition ore even the F150 in my opinion.

 

[lbv150]

I have the 5.4 2v, had a 5.4 3v (probably the worst engine designed) and the 3.5 Ecco in the Expeditions. The 3.5 blows the others away with power and performance. And I am of the old school that I would only buy and drive V8.

 

[Wangle]

I just came from a 5.4 2 valve to a 3.5 ecoboost. I, too, am old school and thought I would have preferred a V-8 in my 2018 Expedition. After doing the research my concerns about reliability seem unwarranted. In most cases the 3.5 is quite a bit more thrifty with gas. WAY more power!! I have to admit, it is a huge improvement over my 2003 5.4. On the towing test video I think everyone is missing a critical point. 700 pounds lighter?? That is a huge difference! Let’s reverse this and repeat the test. Or add 700 pounds to the bed of the XLT with the Coyote V8. Match up the rear end ratios to eliminate that variable. I’ll bet all three testers would’ve preferred the eco-boost.
I do agree with the OP That it would be nice to have a choice. If I had a choice it would likely have been the V-8. Now I am glad I didn’t have a choice and own the 3.5 ecoboost.

 

[aggiegrad05]

I just came from a 5.4 2 valve to a 3.5 ecoboost. I, too, am old school and thought I would have preferred a V-8 in my 2018 Expedition. After doing the research my concerns about reliability seem unwarranted. In most cases the 3.5 is quite a bit more thrifty with gas. WAY more power!! I have to admit, it is a huge improvement over my 2003 5.4. On the towing test video I think everyone is missing a critical point. 700 pounds lighter?? That is a huge difference! Let’s reverse this and repeat the test. Or add 700 pounds to the bed of the XLT with the Coyote V8. Match up the rear end ratios to eliminate that variable. I’ll bet all three testers would’ve preferred the eco-boost.
I do agree with the OP That it would be nice to have a choice. If I had a choice it would likely have been the V-8. Now I am glad I didn’t have a choice and own the 3.5 ecoboost.

This.

If given the choice I would have gone with the 5.0 and, as @gtncpa said, the 3.5 is much better suited to the Expi, especially the higher trims. I could see the 5.0 being a good match for the XLT and definitely the FX4, but for the limited and certainly the platinums, the quiet less-snarly 3.5EB works perfectly.

 

[JExpedition07]

The prefect Expedition for me would have the 6.2L Super Duty engine. Ford’s V8s are hardly old school...the 5.0 is dual overhead cam with direct injection and variable cam timing....and aluminum block. Nothing old school about it.

For the record I very much like my 5.4L 3V Triton and it’s coming up on 200k miles. Good mid range torque and it’s been a very reliable engine. Another Family member also has an 08’ 3V Expedition bought new at 200k now with zero engine issues. I’ve driven the 5.4 2V/ 4 speed on a 2003 one time and it felt like a slug compared to my 3V/ 6 speed. Not to say it was bad....but the passing power and acceleration wasnt there without the variable cam timing....was noticeable. Likely more of it was the old 4 speed trans....that trans is known for sapping an engine of its power.

I’ve driven the 5.4 2V and 3V. Then gen 1 and 2 ecoboosts. The gen 1 ecoboost/ 6 speed in the 15’ didn’t really feel much more powerful, I didn’t like how it lugs down and waits too long to downshift. Lost speed on hills if didn’t force reaction via pedal. Overall mixed feelings. The 5.4 3V and the 6 speed work together in harmony by contrast. Now the gen 2 ecoboost 10 speed impressed me, the 10 speed kept the truck at the correct speed. Great grade shifting and quiet operation. Gen 2 eco also has noticeably more top end pull, this is where the gen 1 lacks. Pulled strong and felt a large difference. Overall thumbs up!

 

[1955moose]

I'm reminded of that old 1960's cartoon Tudor Turtle. He was always trying to be something better than his limited self, due to a magic professor that waved a wand. The professor would always have to rescue him when he screwed up in his newest endeavor. The professors words were why do always want what you can't be, and not happy with who you are! All the wishing in the world isn't going to change Ford's minds. They'll build what they want, and what they think will sell. I personally would love to see a larger, torquier version of the Coyote 5.0. A 5.7 would be perfect, if it's dimensions would fit under the hood of the Expedition, or whatever it's replacement is called. That motor with the 10 speed automatic, would be a dream. No turbos to worry about, same torque as the 3.5 or better. But like one of the other posters stated, most people care more about video players, and cup holders than engines. Who knows what tomorrow brings. Like Christmas morning, you'll just have to wait and see.

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[gtncpa]

I'm reminded of that old 1960's cartoon Tudor Turtle. He was always trying to be something better than his limited self, due to a magic professor that waved a wand. The professor would always have to rescue him when he screwed up in his newest endeavor. The professors words were why do always want what you can't be, and not happy with who you are! All the wishing in the world isn't going to change Ford's minds. They'll build what they want, and what they think will sell. I personally would love to see a larger, torquier version of the Coyote 5.0. A 5.7 would be perfect, if it's dimensions would fit under the hood of the Expedition, or whatever it's replacement is called. That motor with the 10 speed automatic, would be a dream. No turbos to worry about, same torque as the 3.5 or better. But like one of the other posters stated, most people care more about video players, and cup holders than engines. Who knows what tomorrow brings. Like Christmas morning, you'll just have to wait and see.

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I love the analogy!

I do love the 3.5 ... especially when towing my car on trailer. It does it better then my 2014 in "tow mode".

I plan on keeping this Expi to 200K. Part of me is a little nervous about that. I am sure who ever bought my 2014 will have no trouble reaching 200K ... I hope I am that lucky.

 

[rjdelp7]

My guess, future models will have a V8 and Raptor type version. A salesmen mentioned, V8 availability, is the #1 question, from buyers. The EcoBoost sales in the F150's, have been artificially helped by factory rebates.

 

[Sgt Darkness]

I'm liking the 3.5TT engine....quick, quite and after going to YouTube and search for: "ford 3.5 ecoboost torture test", I'm thinking it's a solid build, course we knew that beforehand...

 

[1955moose]

Besides the turbos messing up premature, their good motors. Will they go 300k plus miles? Time will tell. They've only been in the Expedition a little over 3 years, 2015. At an average of 15k a year for most individuals, it will be 2025, before most of us will even get close to those miles.

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[JExpedition07]

There are a few of each engine in the 300k club for the F-150s. 3.7, 5.0, 3.5TT, 6.2. You see and read about them here and there.

Of course there are plenty of 4.6 and 5.4s that made the cut as well. If you take care of your vehicle it will take care of you, doesn’t matter what it is.

 

[JExpedition07]

Another interesting thing Ford is doing is adding an electric (HEV) option to the 5.0L V8...New patents have revealed they are working on an AWD sports car fitted with the 5.0L and a hybrid electric system fitted to it.

https://mustangforums.com/articles/ford-hybrid-patent/

Don’t be surprised if this carries over as an option to the F-150 5.0 as an option as well....they said 2020 will bring a hybrid F-150. The V8 is already getting this tech in one platform, wouldn’t be surprised if it’s getting it in another.

 

[TobyU]

Those are targeted at big pickups (F350-F550), Medium Duty (F650-F750), motor homes and school buses.

Could the new 7.3L gas go in an Expedition ? Sure ! But it would take a lot of work.

Totally different emission regulations. You would need a bigger transmission (and likely changes to the floor pan). The real killer would be the rear suspension and axle. Both would have to be replaced.

Wouldn't be any problem with the rear suspension axle if they would have left it alone in the first place and not changed it to Independent rear suspension. It's a truck. Just like a Lincoln Town Car. It should be rear-wheel drive with a solid rear axle.
But see, they can't do that. Just that they can't leave out the video screens cup holders and Wi-Fi. Too many people are suckered into wanting them. At least those items make things convenient. It greatly pissed me off that I had to get independent rear suspension on the used Navigator I bought. I didn't want the first generation because after having an expedition it looked like the same vehicle inside. The 03-06 is my favorite interior design. I can't stand the 07 with the stupid retro 67 Galaxy ugly-looking Dash!
All the independent rear suspension does for me is calls me worried and it will cause me expense if I keep it long enough. I can almost guarantee that a first-generation I can change the gear lube one time and never have to think about it again no matter how many miles I put on the vehicle. On the newer design I will eventually have to replace a stupid half shaft that shouldn't exist. Because I boot will eventually split and it's basically cheaper just to throw a new half shaft in an easier than it is to put a boot on. Then let's not forget the hub assembly that would never have to worry about on a solid rear axle. Stupid stupid stupid all because people are convinced we have to use the latest and greatest technology designs in everything. I even buy old vehicles and I can't get away from the crap.

 

[Adieu]

Wouldn't be any problem with the rear suspension axle if they would have left it alone in the first place and not changed it to Independent rear suspension. It's a truck. Just like a Lincoln Town Car. It should be rear-wheel drive with a solid rear axle.
But see, they can't do that. Just that they can't leave out the video screens cup holders and Wi-Fi. Too many people are suckered into wanting them. At least those items make things convenient. It greatly pissed me off that I had to get independent rear suspension on the used Navigator I bought. I didn't want the first generation because after having an expedition it looked like the same vehicle inside. The 03-06 is my favorite interior design. I can't stand the 07 with the stupid retro 67 Galaxy ugly-looking Dash!
All the independent rear suspension does for me is calls me worried and it will cause me expense if I keep it long enough. I can almost guarantee that a first-generation I can change the gear lube one time and never have to think about it again no matter how many miles I put on the vehicle. On the newer design I will eventually have to replace a stupid half shaft that shouldn't exist. Because I boot will eventually split and it's basically cheaper just to throw a new half shaft in an easier than it is to put a boot on. Then let's not forget the hub assembly that would never have to worry about on a solid rear axle. Stupid stupid stupid all because people are convinced we have to use the latest and greatest technology designs in everything. I even buy old vehicles and I can't get away from the crap.

It's for the absolutely flat cargo area all the way to the back of the front seats, it has its uses

 

[JExpedition07]

Perfect Timing!!!! Ford has introduced the New 7.3L V8, they went pushrod this time around! I’m wondering where this leaves the 6.2L Boss...

Ford says the 7.3L V8 will be in F-250, F-350, F-450, and all commercial trucks....I might be buying an F-250 soon.......also note ford has given this engine “Big Block” status.

 

[JExpedition07]

Cool stuff

 

[Adieu]

Biggest ones are already rated for 34,000 lbs.... how much more do you want?