Tuning the ecoboost

[TobyU]

A jerk would make fun of tuning a Nissan Ultima,Pathfinder or Taurus. A flex and a Explorer...? Really? Not an impressive 'list' other than what it must of cost you, to buy or lease all these grocery getters...$8000 to tune them?

The Taurus SHOs were fairly unique. I don't think they should have ever made them but they were unique. It just isn't right to have shim valve adjustments like on a motorcycle in a car. Lol
They could be modified to be quite fast though.
I'm not sure about being a jerk but someone could really question people who are concerned with tuning and modify a 6000 pound SUV to make it fast. The entire market and the fact that manufacturers are competing on 0 to 60 times is an absolute joke to some of us.
It's an SUV! It's not meant to, doesn't need to be, and most people don't want them to be fast, or even quick. To me there's quite a difference.
Many people only want them because they're larger and more comfortable, they sit up higher, they carry a lot of equipment, people, car seats, baby strollers, junk, trash, or they just like the look. Very few people care about them having any more acceleration than what's needed to drive around and merge on the freeway properly.
So, a jerk, could questions someone's tuning of any SUV but some of us have made no negative comments toward people who do sew and the complete thread here. We have just stated our opinions that we have no need for such and that the majority of owners care very little.

 

[Mike Wolfe]

Just got my tunes emailed back to me...93 perf/tow, 91 perf/tow, 91 perf.

Unfortunately, I'm swamped the next couple of days so it will be midweek before I'm able to report anything back.

boy will you see a difference
Let us know

 

[edizzle]

All the ECOBOOST tuned vehicles I own/owned would do 0-60 in the 4 second area
The Taurus was tuned for around 475 Wheel HP with Livernois software
Would do 0-60 MPH in 3.8 seconds
It was equipped from the factory with the (HP OPTION) lower axle ratio for better off the line acceleration
it ran quarter mile in the high 11's
It was all wheel drive & would nail just about any Camaro, VETTE & Dodges except maybe the Demons
I was able to beat a couple Demons of the line but they passed me before the end of the quarter
They were just rear wheel drive so my launch was vastly better than theirs
It also obtained 24 mpg on the highway
All my vehicles would vastly outrun their counterparts & were chosen for their ability to get substantial additional HP with nothing more than an ECU calibration (exceptions are the 90 SHO & the Toyota 4 runner)
So you be negative all you want but them is the facts sir
Now put that in your pipe & smoke it dude

i think you are confusing demons with Chargers.

 

[1955moose]

We're living in times where you can buy 600 hp SUVs right off the showroom floor. Me, these days I'm like Toby, 80 mph is plenty fast in my green giant. But truth be told, I'd still like to drive a 700 plus Corvette, or Dodge Challenger, just to see if my blood pressure pills are working! Don't get me wrong, I don't want to own one, but if you've never been to 140mph plus, like I have, you've never lived! It's scary a bit, but the adrenaline is amazing. You make your moves very cautious!

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[rjdelp7]

All the ECOBOOST tuned vehicles I own/owned would do 0-60 in the 4 second area
The Taurus was tuned for around 475 Wheel HP with Livernois software
Would do 0-60 MPH in 3.8 seconds
It was equipped from the factory with the (HP OPTION) lower axle ratio for better off the line acceleration
it ran quarter mile in the high 11's
It was all wheel drive & would nail just about any Camaro, VETTE & Dodges except maybe the Demons
I was able to beat a couple Demons of the line but they passed me before the end of the quarter
They were just rear wheel drive so my launch was vastly better than theirs
It also obtained 24 mpg on the highway
All my vehicles would vastly outrun their counterparts & were chosen for their ability to get substantial additional HP with nothing more than an ECU calibration (exceptions are the 90 SHO & the Toyota 4 runner)
So you be negative all you want but them is the facts sir
Now put that in your pipe & smoke it dude

Sorry, but a Taurus is a ******** 4-door car. If all these autos were sooo.. great, why did you get rid of them all that quick? It cracks me up, when I see some dork, horsing the family sedan or soccer mom SUV. What proof do you have, of all these performance claims?

 

[Artie]

Sorry, but a Taurus is a ******** 4-door car. If all these autos were sooo.. great, why did you get rid of them all that quick? It cracks me up, when I see some dork, horsing the family sedan or soccer mom SUV. What proof do you have, of all these performance claims?

You called him ‘full of it’ so he produced a list of vehicles and how he knew the people he claimed to know then you bash him for his choice of vehicle to tune and then asked for actual proof that he owned claimed vehicle and it’s performance claims. Anyone can search through posters comments on here and doing so on Mike Wolfe you’ll see tons of examples detailing his experience be it in the industry he worked or the vehicles he’s owned. Doing this search on your comments presents constant badgering and moving goalposts when presented with whatever evidence you’ve recently asked for. Why are you so mad? If Paul Newman can tune a Volvo staionwagon and still be cool I’m ok with someone tuning a Taurus SHO. The moment I see someone has tuned or hotrodded a car that makes me ask myself ‘why?’ that’s the sign of a true madman tuner hotrodder type and I should swiftly buy them a beer or the drink of their choice and pick their brain as I am sure to learn something from that person.

 

[JohnT]

I always liked the Taurus SHO as a sleeper car, debadged, plain jane rims but with sticky rubber, good brake pads and a good tune. Don't wash for a few weeks and then dust the unsuspecting at the lights for fun

 

[Randy Schmidt]

You called him ‘full of it’ so he produced a list of vehicles and how he knew the people he claimed to know then you bash him for his choice of vehicle to tune and then asked for actual proof that he owned claimed vehicle and it’s performance claims. Anyone can search through posters comments on here and doing so on Mike Wolfe you’ll see tons of examples detailing his experience be it in the industry he worked or the vehicles he’s owned. Doing this search on your comments presents constant badgering and moving goalposts when presented with whatever evidence you’ve recently asked for. Why are you so mad? If Paul Newman can tune a Volvo staionwagon and still be cool I’m ok with someone tuning a Taurus SHO. The moment I see someone has tuned or hotrodded a car that makes me ask myself ‘why?’ that’s the sign of a true madman tuner hotrodder type and I should swiftly buy them a beer or the drink of their choice and pick their brain as I am sure to learn something from that person.

Well said Artie. Thank you for keeping it positive...

 

[rjdelp7]

You called him ‘full of it’ so he produced a list of vehicles and how he knew the people he claimed to know then you bash him for his choice of vehicle to tune and then asked for actual proof that he owned claimed vehicle and it’s performance claims. Anyone can search through posters comments on here and doing so on Mike Wolfe you’ll see tons of examples detailing his experience be it in the industry he worked or the vehicles he’s owned. Doing this search on your comments presents constant badgering and moving goalposts when presented with whatever evidence you’ve recently asked for. Why are you so mad? If Paul Newman can tune a Volvo staionwagon and still be cool I’m ok with someone tuning a Taurus SHO. The moment I see someone has tuned or hotrodded a car that makes me ask myself ‘why?’ that’s the sign of a true madman tuner hotrodder type and I should swiftly buy them a beer or the drink of their choice and pick their brain as I am sure to learn something from that person.

Come on. This thread is off the rails. Its pretty sad, people can post outrages, non-Expedition stuff and not be called out. Mike Wolfe is always posting, with little or no Expedition experience. That is called 'trolling'. EX. 475 hp 'Taurus'? You don't see stuff like this on the Mustang forum. People stick to 'Mustang' and related problems, solutions and suggestions. What does Mike Wolfe's 'super charged' 1998 4-Runner(haha) or Nissan Altima have to do with the original poster question? How about his 3.8sec, yes .8, 0-60. 2/10's measurement of a second? Really? Lets see the timing slip from the track? Lets see the 'actual' dyno results. Stick to EXPEDITION experience only and no fish stories. Mike Wolfe(aka American Pickers?), the dude that looks for junk on TV? Is that you or are you trying making a statement? You own/owned a 2018 F150 and a 2018 Expedition? Why? Let's see a photo.

 

[Mike Wolfe]

i think you are confusing demons with Chargers.

Am I bad
I meant "HELLCATS"
While they were trying to get traction I was gone
Sure they would catch me about 1/2 to 2/3 of the way down the quarter mile & pass me
They are 10 second cars & My Taurus ran in the high 11's in the quarter mile

 

[Mike Wolfe]

Come on. This thread is off the rails. Its pretty sad, people can post outrages, non-Expedition stuff and not be called out. Mike Wolfe is always posting, with little or no Expedition experience. That is called 'trolling'. EX. 475 hp 'Taurus'? You don't see stuff like this on the Mustang forum. People stick to 'Mustang' and related problems, solutions and suggestions. What does Mike Wolfe's 'super charged' 4-Runner(haha) or Nissan Altima have to do with the original poster question? How about his 3.8sec, yes .8, 0-60. 2/10's measurement of a second? Really? Lets see the timing slip from the track? Lets see the 'actual' dyno results. Stick to EXPEDITION experience only and no fish stories.

Sir
I own a 2018 Expedition with 16 k miles on it
It is calibrated with a 5 Star 93 octane performance/tow calibration
So your comment that I have no expedition experience is not true
I also own a 2018 F150 3.5L ECOBOOST with about 3 k miles on it
I have it recalibrated with a 5 star E50 tune
Here is their dyno chart for that same vehicle

Note that this calibration produces 550hp at the wheels along with over 600lb ft of torque at the wheels
This thread started because someone had a question about tuning his vehicle
I responded with my experience tuning my 2018 Expedition
All of a sudden everyone got nasty, call me a liar & were just plain mean when they don't know what the HELL they are talking about
Wish I could figure out what drives these folks to be so mean & what if anything they get out of it
Just go the the Livernois website & find out what kind of performance they got out of a 2011 SHO
Just go to the 5 star website & find out what kind of performance figures they got from a stock F150 with a 3.5L with an R50 calibration
I supercharged the 4 runner with Toyota's own OEM supercharger kit
It produced almost twice as much torque as the N/a engine did
So before you decide to blast me for offering actual factual data go get some real facts
Not just your rantings
Everything I stated is factual & true
Here is a link to an earlier generation SHO without the factory Performance package
https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cu...-is-what-a-550-hp-ford-taurus-sho-looks-like/
I ran 2-3 psi more boost than he did with a mix of about 30% ethanol & 70% 91 octane premium with a 2013 with the factory Performance package
So quit calling me a liar
Quit NAY-SAYING everything I post
Everything I have posted is true
If you don't know what you are talking about just quit ranting

 

[rjdelp7]

Sir
I own a 2018 Expedition with 16 k miles on it
It is calibrated with a 5 Star 93 octane performance/tow calibration
So your comment that I have no expedition experience is not true
I also own a 2018 F150 3.5L ECOBOOST with about 3 k miles on it
I have it recalibrated with a 5 star E50 tune
Here is their dyno chart for that same vehicle

Note that this calibration produces 550hp at the wheels along with over 600lb ft of torque at the wheels
This thread started because someone had a question about tuning his vehicle
I responded with my experience tuning my 2018 Expedition
All of a sudden everyone got nasty, call me a liar & were just plain mean when they don't know what the HELL they are talking about
Wish I could figure out what drives these folks to be so mean & what if anything they get out of it
Just go the the Livernois website & find out what kind of performance they got out of a 2011 SHO
Just go to the 5 star website & find out what kind of performance figures they got from a stock F150 with a 3.5L with an R50 calibration
I supercharged the 4 runner with Toyota's own OEM supercharger kit
It produced almost twice as much torque as the N/a engine did
So before you decide to blast me for offering actual factual data go get some real facts
Not just your rantings
Everything I stated is factual & true
Here is a link to an earlier generation SHO without the factory Performance package
https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cu...-is-what-a-550-hp-ford-taurus-sho-looks-like/
I ran 2-3 psi more boost than he did with a mix of about 30% ethanol & 70% 91 octane premium with a 2013 with the factory Performance package
So quit calling me a liar
Quit NAY-SAYING everything I post
Everything I have posted is true
If you don't know what you are talking about just quit ranting

A 2018, 'tuned' Expedition, is all the Expedition experience you have? You have been a member since 2017? Do ya see where I am going here?

 

[TobyU]

Threads always go all over the place and that's okay. I'm usually one of the ones that takes them there. Vehicles are a very relative area and it's so easy for one thing to blend into another.
I could have gotten into my experience with my Buick Grand Nationals since they are more related to tuning an EcoBoost since they are turbo. The Yamaha in the Taurus sho was a mean engine and those Vehicles would haul for a Taurus. They had like an 8000 RPM Redline but they were not Turbo charged.
I even brushed on this earlier but probably not in this thread about my dislike for twin turbos when you just don't need it. People will argue about it makes for smoother acceleration and such but I have seen plenty of single turbo charged cars that are plenty smooth and I can still have more power with 1 turbo than with two

 

[TobyU]

Then before I can post my last post somebody puts a graph of 650 horsepower or whatever. I think this is in a truck or SUV. Once again, to some of us this is ludicrous. High horsepower in an SUV at all is kind of a joke to many.
I love 600 plus horsepower on tap in a Mustang, Camaro, my Buick Grand National, Challenger, old late 60s and early 70s muscle cars that have been modded up but I have never wanted that kind of horsepower levels in an SUV, truck and actually never and anything that had over two doors. I'm a door snob.

 

[edizzle]

A 2018, 'tuned' Expedition, is all the Expedition experience you have? You have been a member since 2017? Do ya see where I am going here?

Wow bro, you’re sad. Embarrassing actually. Go back to the first gen forum!!!!! You are astoundingly ignorant about vehicle performance and tuning!! If you want to learn and ask questions and participate in a thread that’s one thing, but you actually do the exact opposite!! Very annoying

 

[edizzle]

Then before I can post my last post somebody puts a graph of 650 horsepower or whatever. I think this is in a truck or SUV. Once again, to some of us this is ludicrous. High horsepower in an SUV at all is kind of a joke to many.
I love 600 plus horsepower on tap in a Mustang, Camaro, my Buick Grand National, Challenger, old late 60s and early 70s muscle cars that have been modded up but I have never wanted that kind of horsepower levels in an SUV, truck and actually never and anything that had over two doors. I'm a door snob.

why? What does it matter how much horsepower it has? There multiple factory fresh SUVs with 550hp plus. Cayenne Turbo,certain model Range Rovers, etc. the Lincoln has 450 out the door. It’s nice to pass, accelerate into traffic, etc. and know it’s there. And of course for the real car guys, it’s also fun to sleep a guy in his new beemer or Mercedes and leave him thinking WTF?!?!?!

 

[Mike Wolfe]

why? What does it matter how much horsepower it has? There multiple factory fresh SUVs with 550hp plus. Cayenne Turbo,certain model Range Rovers, etc. the Lincoln has 450 out the door. It’s nice to pass, accelerate into traffic, etc. and know it’s there. And of course for the real car guys, it’s also fun to sleep a guy in his new beemer or Mercedes and leave him thinking WTF?!?!?!

Ya
Exactly @edizzle

 

[TobyU]

why? What does it matter how much horsepower it has? There multiple factory fresh SUVs with 550hp plus. Cayenne Turbo,certain model Range Rovers, etc. the Lincoln has 450 out the door. It’s nice to pass, accelerate into traffic, etc. and know it’s there. And of course for the real car guys, it’s also fun to sleep a guy in his new beemer or Mercedes and leave him thinking WTF?!?!?!

It all boils down to different preferences everyone's and right to drive whatever they want it just amazes me that the market and Industry is providing these higher horsepower SUVs. To some of us, myself included, I think it's a total waste. I think 95% maybe more of the SUV owners out there don't even know how much horsepower they have, rarely ever push the pedal to the floor and don't care how fast they are 0 to 60. I too have had appreciation in the past for sleeper vehicles but they were not SUVs.
If they're going to make a special RT model Durango put racing stripes on it, cool looking wheels and give it 450 + horsepower that's okay. A small percentage of people buying Durango's will buy those. Jeep has done the similar thing with a Grand Cherokee. Ford has only made the Expedition in a off-road model as far as I know. If they want to put racing stripes or cool paint Scheme on an expedition add a front rear spoiler or air dams maybe some painted to match wheel flares above the tires. I've always liked that look. Then give it some really sporty Wheels and make it a special GT series then that's fine to have 500 horsepower but for the other ninety-nine point something percent of the ones they make.... people care far more about the color of the exterior and the color of the interior and the comfort of the seat than they do about horsepower.
So I'm not saying you shouldn't be able to have 500 horsepower on tap in the SUV if you want it. I'm just saying it seems as a very small market for it but yet they keep pushing the horsepower levels higher and higher having compete between the major brands. It makes sense in a Mustang a Camaro a challenger or charger it just doesn't make sense to me in a four-door family truckster daily driver SUV.
I don't get my kicks for enjoyment out of driving an SUV it's my daily driver mode of transportation. I have other cars that are my fun cars. If someone doesn't want to have multiple vehicles and wants to combine the two then one of these sporty options lots of horsepower is good for them. I just don't see that many people being in that situation.

 

[aggiegrad05]

Welcome, and congrats on the purchase.

There are myriad threads on here about tuning these engines. And they usually go WAY off the rails with peoples’ opinions.

My general understanding is “yes, there are tuning options” (livernois, 5 star, etc).

Good luck and I’m excited to see where this particular thread ends up when the moderators shut it down. Haha!

I’m just excited that my post was accurate. Haha!!!

 

[mquick5]

why? And of course for the real car guys, it’s also fun to sleep a guy in his new beemer or Mercedes and leave him thinking WTF?!?!?!

When that happens to me, I just chuckle and say I wonder how much fuel that fool wasted...

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