Tuning the ecoboost

[Mike Wolfe]

You can get to the same information the dealer can with the appropriate software & laptop OBD interface adapter
Calibrators like 5 star have access to that same information as well

 

[edizzle]

All errors 'saved' on the PCM, for future warranty claims. You are hacking your SUV's computer. Good luck...

Dude you win the award for most mis-informed (and negative) member!!!!!!!!

 

[Garrett]

It is not up to dealer to approve major warranty claims, its the district Ford Rep. He will no doubt, want answers, why something major failed. The dealer will provide it, through a 'black box' download, that no customer can see.

You must be a dick. My dealer likes me.

 

[rjdelp7]

Mis-informed how? Do you think Ford is not aware people buy these tuners? The programing is not Ford authorized. Its hacked. The error messages may in fact be a counter measure/red flag. I own a Mustang GT 5.0l. Plenty of info on tuning them. Plenty blown up and then cry for warranty. They have black box data 'event recorders'. Anything above 80mph, anytime the traction control is disabled, any warning lights and service codes are stored. The tuner/diesel engine failures, were an issue, on Ford trucks. I am not being 'negative', just sharing what I learned. Tuners will give 40-80 hp increase, with no mods. They will also re-calibrate for mods like exhaust and throttle body changes. If your dealer 'likes' you, go in and explain you want to tune your vehicle. Listen to the service advisor, about there experience and recommendations and report back. My guess, he will say don't do it. My dealer did. They offered to flash mine, with an improved tune.

 

[Mike Wolfe]

Funny how much negativity there is regarding tuning your vehicle
Most of the Ford power train engineers I worked with over the last 40 years calibrated their vehicle's engines also
That is really how I found out about recalibrations & what could be done
Have owned 10 Tuned vehicles over the years
6 of them were the 3.5L ECOBOOST engines
4 GEN 1 engines the last 2 Gen II 3.5L ecoboost
All used ethanol in all of them in mixes form e10 to e85
I can & do get to anything from the vehicle ECU that the dealers do
If I chose I could also get into the "CRASH" black box as well but see no need
Amazes me why people slam something they truly know nothing about & have never experienced it but feel they are self-professed experts
I have truly experienced what I explained above
Never had an engine fail as well
Hard for them to slam something I have truly experienced
Oh well
watch all the negativity pop up regarding this post now

 

[TobyU]

Dude you win the award for most mis-informed (and negative) member!!!!!!!!

Nah, I can top the negativity. I'm not very mis-informed though just opinionated.

 

[TobyU]

Funny how much negativity there is regarding tuning your vehicle
Most of the Ford power train engineers I worked with over the last 40 years calibrated their vehicle's engines also
That is really how I found out about recalibrations & what could be done
Have owned 10 Tuned vehicles over the years
6 of them were the 3.5L ECOBOOST engines
4 GEN 1 engines the last 2 Gen II 3.5L ecoboost
All used ethanol in all of them in mixes form e10 to e85
I can & do get to anything from the vehicle ECU that the dealers do
If I chose I could also get into the "CRASH" black box as well but see no need
Amazes me why people slam something they truly know nothing about & have never experienced it but feel they are self-professed experts
I have truly experienced what I explained above
Never had an engine fail as well
Hard for them to slam something I have truly experienced
Oh well
watch all the negativity pop up regarding this post now

I have hot rodded a lot of cars I have owned. Most all of them up to the 98 and up Ram Air Trans Am's couldn't tell on you.
There were times when people with warranties would have to remove parts before letting dealers see the cars. That's when everything was a bolt on or a e-prom chip.

Manufacturers know people do this. I think they even want people to be able tune them.
How many fewer turbo diesels would have been sold if you couldn't get nice results with a simple hand held tuner??? A lot!

I think they design the ability on purpose. It would be simple to make it a lot harder if not impossible to mod them save for very expensive complete ecu replacement etc.
People and companies (hacker and mod style) are smart but if they didn't want you to be able it would be "cops and robbers" back and forth blocking the ability then cracking it then blocking again. They don't bother to.

They send them out (most models) with a some built in margin of safety. You have always been able to push things in most all models without starting to break stuff or at least right away. Then you just upgrade that and keep going.
That's why the aftermarket world and performance upgrades exist.

Geeze. I forgot to be negative. I'll try harder next time.

 

[TobyU]

You must be a dick. My dealer likes me.

And just like that this forum starts to resemble a mustang, camaro, of F-150 forum.....

I can be a real ******* but I don't call people mean names on forums. I save that for Facebook! Lol
I'm on forums to find info, learn stuff, and help others with stuff I've already been though.
....and to give my opinionated comments on the world and things I do or DO NOT like.

DOWN WITH knob and button "shifters"---- I DEMAND a real key like turn thingy----
I WANT OPTIONS--give me an explorer and expedition with a 5 or six cyl straight or V with 175-200 HP tops, give others the 425+ hp--- give me 2-3 "lighter sockets" power ports and nothing more, no SCREENS, BACKUP CAMERA, DRIVING AIDS!!!
I just want a new freshened up style look of the same circa 2000 SUV with better mileage if possible.
Ahh..there's almost some negativity.

I feel better now.

 

[1955moose]

Toby, this is the only forum I've stuck with. I tried the mustang ones, but even with my same advice I give here, I was criticized and slammed. I said why bother. Even here their so much one up man ship going on. It's just human nature I guess. Theirs always the individual that wants to be top dog, the alpha male. You know the old saying, everyone has an a hole, everyone stinks. Nah, theirs a lot of posts I'll jump in on, others, like tuning, or GPS, or cameras, I know nothing about, and wouldn't care to participate. Maybe someday, I'll get a newer SUV/pick up, and will figure out newer items. Don't let it bug you. It seems like about twice a month, we get into heated debate. The last one I remember was the one a few weeks back about oil wear, and longevity.

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[TobyU]

Toby, this is the only forum I've stuck with. I tried the mustang ones, but even with my same advice I give here, I was criticized and slammed. I said why bother. Even here their so much one up man ship going on. It's just human nature I guess. Theirs always the individual that wants to be top dog, the alpha male. You know the old saying, everyone has an a hole, everyone stinks. Nah, theirs a lot of posts I'll jump in on, others, like tuning, or GPS, or cameras, I know nothing about, and wouldn't care to participate. Maybe someday, I'll get a newer SUV/pick up, and will figure out newer items. Don't let it bug you. It seems like about twice a month, we get into heated debate. The last one I remember was the one a few weeks back about oil wear, and longevity.

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Exactly why I said that.
Most car groups exp mustang, camaro F-150s have way too many snotty little, arrogant, know-it-all, foul-mouthed, criticizing, demeaning, argumentative ********.

This one is a pleasant surprise but I did get a negative vibe in some threads. Like the 2018 reviews.
Most posting there are closed minded to anything that's not the latest and greatest and not respectful of other people opinions or preferences if they vary from theirs.

Most threads on here with people trying to fix things people are completely polite and respectful.

The lincoln forum I have been on for years is the best I have ever seen. I guess because its full of over 50 people (mostly guys but occasional woman) who have some manners.

 

[TobyU]

There will always be the oil threads and warm up and stuff and the engineer mentality that I giggle because they stand out so quickly, who use paper or test facts in usually small sample groups and think their researched result is better than the guys that have seen what happens in real life over and over for 40+ years.
It's not the engineers wheelhouse usually but they insist their researched conclusion is more accurate than the experiences.

I always start out with a I respectfully disagree until or unless they call me names then piss on them.
I welcome them to compare their list of completed repairs and time doing so etc to mine.

Some things in cars etc simply DO NOT MAKE sense. But If I tell you that's the way it is....that's the way it is.
If I don't know I'll tell you or I'll tell you "I think"

 

[rjdelp7]

Funny how much negativity there is regarding tuning your vehicle
Most of the Ford power train engineers I worked with over the last 40 years calibrated their vehicle's engines also
That is really how I found out about recalibrations & what could be done
Have owned 10 Tuned vehicles over the years
6 of them were the 3.5L ECOBOOST engines
4 GEN 1 engines the last 2 Gen II 3.5L ecoboost
All used ethanol in all of them in mixes form e10 to e85
I can & do get to anything from the vehicle ECU that the dealers do
If I chose I could also get into the "CRASH" black box as well but see no need
Amazes me why people slam something they truly know nothing about & have never experienced it but feel they are self-professed experts
I have truly experienced what I explained above
Never had an engine fail as well
Hard for them to slam something I have truly experienced
Oh well
watch all the negativity pop up regarding this post now

you tuned 10 ecoBoost(like $4000 in tuners) vehicles and know Ford powertrain engineers(for 40 years). I think you are fullofit.

 

[Mike Wolfe]

you tuned 10 ecoBoost(like $4000 in tuners) vehicles and know Ford powertrain engineers(for 40 years). I think you are fullofit.

FYI
Not full of anything except maybe to much beer causing a beer belly
73 Years old now
Worked over 40 years as a fuel systems engineer developing products that our company supplied to Ford, Gm, Chrysler, Bosch, NTK, Denso & many others
Worked with & knew many of the power train engineers at those automobile companies
I have "ACTUALLY" owned more than 10 tuned vehicles starting with a 1990 Taurus SHO (with 3L Yamaha engine that had reprogrammed ECU,larger MAF, 3"Exhaust system, found an additional 120hp at the wheels), 1998 Toyota 4 runner (Installed supercharger exhaust system & other mods), 2004 Nissan Titan 5.6L V8, 2005 Nisan Ultima V6 & 2008 Nissan pathfinder with 5.6L V8
I have owned 6 ecoboost vehicles starting with a 2011 F150 3.5L ECOBOOST, then a 2013 Flex with 3.5L ECOBOOST, 2013 Ford Taurus SHO 3.5L ECOBOOST, 2016 Explorer Sport with 3.5L ECOBOOST, 2018 Expedition 3.5L ECOBOOST & 2018 F150with 3.5L ECOBOOST
All gen 1's used Livernois calibrations
All Gen II's used 5 star calibrations (2018 EXPY & F150)
All used ethanol in 20% to 85% concentrations mixed with premium 91 octane E10
Yes I have spent way over $8000.00 for modifying & tuning on these vehicles over the years
So why do you persist in being so negative
Just sharing exactly what I have experienced
Nothing contrived or made up
Just exactly what I have had the experiences with
SO Quit being a "JERK"

 

[1955moose]

Well , that's a pretty impressive resume! One thing I've learned in almost 64 years on this 3rd rock from the sun, is never judge a book by it's cover, always be polite, and listen more than you speak. I like Mr Wolfe, have been spinning wrenches for a long time. I learn something new everyday. I always try to keep an open mind. Just today I learned that a steering wheel clock spring can fail days after it works fine, throwing off a diagnostic of a faulty working air bag.

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[rjdelp7]

A jerk would make fun of tuning a Nissan Ultima,Pathfinder or Taurus. A flex and a Explorer...? Really? Not an impressive 'list' other than what it must of cost you, to buy or lease all these grocery getters...$8000 to tune them?

 

[Mike Wolfe]

All the ECOBOOST tuned vehicles I own/owned would do 0-60 in the 4 second area
The Taurus was tuned for around 475 Wheel HP with Livernois software
Would do 0-60 MPH in 3.8 seconds
It was equipped from the factory with the (HP OPTION) lower axle ratio for better off the line acceleration
it ran quarter mile in the high 11's
It was all wheel drive & would nail just about any Camaro, VETTE & Dodges except maybe the Demons
I was able to beat a couple Demons of the line but they passed me before the end of the quarter
They were just rear wheel drive so my launch was vastly better than theirs
It also obtained 24 mpg on the highway
All my vehicles would vastly outrun their counterparts & were chosen for their ability to get substantial additional HP with nothing more than an ECU calibration (exceptions are the 90 SHO & the Toyota 4 runner)
So you be negative all you want but them is the facts sir
Now put that in your pipe & smoke it dude

 

[JExpedition07]

The Taurus SHO is a whole different ball of wax. The things are capable of being amazingly fast and with AWD they can actually put that power down where a muscle car struggles to get the power to the pavement.

 

[Mike Wolfe]

The Taurus SHO is a whole different ball of wax. The things are capable of being amazingly fast and with AWD they can actually put that power down where a muscle car struggles to get the power to the pavement.

Thanks for the positive response

 

[Garrett]

Just got my tunes emailed back to me...93 perf/tow, 91 perf/tow, 91 perf.

Unfortunately, I'm swamped the next couple of days so it will be midweek before I'm able to report anything back.

 

[1955moose]

Mike, back in the Nixon days, my friends and I used to build wicked fast small Yamaha street and dirt bikes. Anybody can buy a Triumph or Honda 750 that will do 120 mph, but we did it with Yamaha 100, and 125 twin street bikes. They were ported and tweaked within an inch of destruction in some cases, but man when you do it with a bike that did maybe 75 mph on a good day stock, then make a screaming 180 pound missel, That's just fun. We clocked one going down the same road Guadalupe highway that they filmed Bullit. The 100 cc bike hit 121mph. Sounded like a swarm of bees.

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