JEx07 said NO FRAM. Over time I've looked at a few YouTube vids where guys tear different brand filters apart. The one consistency in Fram filters seems to be they are all sub par, to be kind. I used them for many years before Internet days and had no problems. My guess is they were better quality decades ago. Seems many products, some cars included, are made cheaper and cheaper each iteration until they're junk. I think of RCA, which once made the best televisions on the market. Now the brand name's been sold time and time again until only the letters remain the same.
What was last year of 5.4L on Expy's?
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The replacement for displacement is boost. This is obvious since the 3.5L has more HS and TQ than the 5.4L
JExpedition07
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Sorry but that’s incorrect. There is no replacement the 5.4 can be boosted to almost 600 horse and 525 torque. If we are talking Fossil fuel/ atmospheric compressing engines that create power through compression to combustion a bigger engine always can produce more power through boost. It’s physics. The only power source that negates this law is electric. A 5.4 or 5.0 can always create more power than the 3.5 through forced induction. Why? Because It can compress more atmosphere to create more power. Would i drive an expy with a 3.5? Sure. But let’s keep our facts straight. In fossil fuel combusting engines there really is no replacement for displacement. Lots of guys get 1000 plus horsepower out of a good old chevy 350. Keep in mind I’m talking an engines potential power output not stock. Bigger Bore and Stroke= more potential for power through combustion. Aftermarket guys will always be able to create more power through more displacement.
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I'm not talking about aftermarket. I'm comparing a stock 5.4L with a stock 3.5L ecoboost. In this case they replaced the need for displacement with boost. Of course you could slap a turbo on a 5.4L and make more power, but that's not what we're talking about
JExpedition07
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True that brotha. Just saying for the lots of guys out there who stock isn’t enough and do their own builds you can do a lot more with a big old chunk of cast iron than these more modern smaller displacement engines.
Keep hearing about this 7.0L V8 coming down the pipes for the GT500 and trucks but have yet to see ford confirm it. Then again we didn’t get confirmation on the 6.2 until it debuted in the raptor in 2010. We found out when we saw the big badge on the side of the truck they actually finally did it.
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Why do you think Ford has an oil life monitor? It counts engine revolutions, temp, starts and days. Changing oil with 45% remaining, is a waste. Ford increased oil capacity that also increased oil change intervals. Syn-blend and Full Syn can go longer. I personally do not use "paper media" oil filters. Napa Platinum, Mobil 1, Purolator Boss and Fram Ultra Synthetic, are all rated at 10,000 mi+, and have better flow and filtering. The Ecoboost however, produces a lot of blow by. It is an oil/water/carbon/fuel muck. Pressurizing air, also absorbs more moisture. A Catch Can will trap this crap out of oil.
Muddy Bean
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Speaking of which, mine says 2% Left oil life....gotta get this done.
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ExpeditionAndy
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Personally I'm changing mine after 5000 miles and taking an oil sample to Blackstone Labs here in Fort Wayne to get an accurate assessment of the oil life.
Bad advice. You still have to follow your maintenance schedule, under warranty. Minimum twice a year. Anything goes wrong, they will claim neglect. The oil life monitor will go to 0% after 1 year, even if you only drove it 1000mi. I can confirm that. My 2011 Mustang GT only has 2800 miles. I just reset and change oil once a year. I use Royal Purple with high end cellulous oil filter.
ExpeditionAndy
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My dealer changes my oil so I won't have any issues with the monitor. I had them change it at 1000 miles, and took a sample in to be analyzed and I'll have them change it again when it hits 6000 miles and I'll change it ever 5000 after that. That's my plan and I'm sticking to it.
A replacement 3.5lTT is over $9K. I would check with dealer and owners manual. There is different schedules for severe and normal. I would say that motor is getting a workout in full boost, moving that heavy SUV. Instead of paying Blackstone for useless info, change oil sooner.
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ExpeditionAndy
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First, it's my money to spend as I see fit.
Second, I'm changing the oil at half the interval.
JExpedition07
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9k for a crate gasoline engine is just insane. My dad had a E-350 that had a brand new crate 5.4 put in, was $6,000 installed with a 36,000 mile warranty from Ford. This was probably 2012. A motor that’s over 10 grand crate is an engine i have no interest in owning past warranty. Sure the motors of the old days had less power, but when they went you and a buddy swapped it out for cheap and had your truck back on the road.
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I hear ya! A 5.0 coyote is $7500. The reason I mentioned....I think Ford, will hate honoring the warranty on these.
JExpedition07
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Another thing to be fair is to consider that if you or me buys a motor from ford we are paying retail..... if your shop or dealer buys it you’ll often get a better price, if you are giving them the work especially.
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Fort Wayne's Winter and Summer qualify for extreme hot and cold operation.
AllBoostNoEco
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$9K to replace an EB is a little disingenuous. You can find the crate motor from $7500-8400 depending on where you look, and the only reason to get one is to install it in something that didn’t come with it.
If you were just replacing the engine in a 15-17 Expedition, you can order a replacement engine from Ford (DL3Z-6006-A), which runs $5K. A new short block is $1,250.
If you were in there replacing it, and you wanted to upgrade to the Gen 2 EB from the 17 Raptor, it will set you back $5,250 or $1,500 for a short block.
Considering Ford charges $5K for a replacement 5.4 3V and $5300 for a Coyote 5.0, seems pretty much normal from where I sit.
Of all the things Ford could choose not to replace an EB motor under warranty for, lack of maintenance isn’t one that usually comes up. They’ve been building the EB since late 2010, if lack of maintenance were a concern, they wouldn’t let the oil life monitor go all the way up to 10K miles before telling the owner to change it. They wouldn’t have a leg to stand on to deny a warranty claim when it’s easy to track oil changes done at the dealer with a smartphone.
And the PCM decides what qualifies as extreme operation on its own and varies the oil change interval accordingly.
My normal interval is right at 9K, but when I towed my 9K pound trailer for 1K miles prior to my last oil change, it told me to change it at 7K miles. Pretty much right in line with what my last F-150 with the Coyote did.
If you were just replacing the engine in a 15-17 Expedition, you can order a replacement engine from Ford (DL3Z-6006-A), which runs $5K. A new short block is $1,250.
If you were in there replacing it, and you wanted to upgrade to the Gen 2 EB from the 17 Raptor, it will set you back $5,250 or $1,500 for a short block.
Considering Ford charges $5K for a replacement 5.4 3V and $5300 for a Coyote 5.0, seems pretty much normal from where I sit.
Of all the things Ford could choose not to replace an EB motor under warranty for, lack of maintenance isn’t one that usually comes up. They’ve been building the EB since late 2010, if lack of maintenance were a concern, they wouldn’t let the oil life monitor go all the way up to 10K miles before telling the owner to change it. They wouldn’t have a leg to stand on to deny a warranty claim when it’s easy to track oil changes done at the dealer with a smartphone.
And the PCM decides what qualifies as extreme operation on its own and varies the oil change interval accordingly.
My normal interval is right at 9K, but when I towed my 9K pound trailer for 1K miles prior to my last oil change, it told me to change it at 7K miles. Pretty much right in line with what my last F-150 with the Coyote did.
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I agree. As well, subbing boost will increase stress and reduce reliability. For my money, I prefer to keep it simple and stay away from boost. I think it sad the V8 Expedition is no longer available and I will just have to keep my 2014 going forever.
Between spitting spark plugs, lackluster design changes, cam phasers, peeling paint and now this 2018 disappointment, I will be keeping my 1st gen a bit longer.I agree. As well, subbing boost will increase stress and reduce reliability. For my money, I prefer to keep it simple and stay away from boost. I think it sad the V8 Expedition is no longer available and I will just have to keep my 2014 going forever.
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