Shotgun76
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Wondering if anyone has installed a Whipple Mega Cooler or other in a Stealth Performance Package Max? Looking for feedback/thoughts as I think about doing it (although will not get a tune). TIA
Whipple Mega Cooler on '24 Max SPP
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GlennSullivan
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Im probably going to get flak for this, but with all the issues people have had with Gen 4 Expy drivetrains, I would not modify a new / newer Expy and void the warranty.
2020FordRaptor
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The aftermarket part has to be proven to have caused the problem though before they can deny the warranty claim. An intercooler isn’t going to cause any problems so therefore shouldn’t void warranty.
2020FordRaptor
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Do you notice heat soak often or run the vehicle hard (funny to say about a full size SUV). The intercooler are small, but usually do the work needed on a daily driver SUV. Especially if you’re not getting a tune might not be worth it.
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I agree with you. No flak here.
SyndicateZ
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They CAN Certainly void the warranty if in ANY WAY the engine has any aftermarket parts installed. The part does not need to be related to the issue. its in the print of warranty requirements
GlennSullivan
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That is supposed to be how it works and may have 15 years ago, but no longer. Ford will find any excuse to deny the warranty and you will have to hire an attorney and spend 10s of thousands to maybe get them to cover the repair. No goverment agency will force Ford to abide by the M/M Warranty Act
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2020FordRaptor
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Not true at all. Had to be proved to cause the problem.
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Totally agree. Didn’t say Ford lives by that, just saying what the Act states.
TO BE CRYSTAL CLEAR. The Magnuson-Moss act does not really cover power adders. It covers, say using a NAPA Oil filter vs a Motorcraft brand filter. If it matches or exceeds OEM specs, then it cannot be used to deny warranty.
That being said, dealer matters. You have a good relationship with your dealer and the Service Department, you won't have any issues. ALL of my Fords have been tuned, and many with aftermarket hard parts like IC's, lifts, and other things. No issues with Warranty. My Edge had the Motor replaced with a tune on it, but the failure was a Ford Head issue on the 2.7's. No risk of denial, cause my dealer staff are professionals.
You could argue an upgraded IC is not a power adder, and actually helps the motor to maintain lower intake manifold temps. So it would be VERY hard for a dealer to say it was the cause of the issue with no other modifications. Plus my guess is the OP is not going to be tuning without A LOT of hassle. The 24's require an unlocked PCM, and for that to happen on a 24 you have to swap to an older PCM, cause the one from the factory is not unlockable, like the 23 F150's.
Now let's discuss the IC itself. I would do CVF over Whipple. Cheaper, and just as good a product. Look up Tyler Clark on the socials, as he has a code that can save you even more on CVF.
That being said, dealer matters. You have a good relationship with your dealer and the Service Department, you won't have any issues. ALL of my Fords have been tuned, and many with aftermarket hard parts like IC's, lifts, and other things. No issues with Warranty. My Edge had the Motor replaced with a tune on it, but the failure was a Ford Head issue on the 2.7's. No risk of denial, cause my dealer staff are professionals.
You could argue an upgraded IC is not a power adder, and actually helps the motor to maintain lower intake manifold temps. So it would be VERY hard for a dealer to say it was the cause of the issue with no other modifications. Plus my guess is the OP is not going to be tuning without A LOT of hassle. The 24's require an unlocked PCM, and for that to happen on a 24 you have to swap to an older PCM, cause the one from the factory is not unlockable, like the 23 F150's.
Now let's discuss the IC itself. I would do CVF over Whipple. Cheaper, and just as good a product. Look up Tyler Clark on the socials, as he has a code that can save you even more on CVF.
I am well aware of the Magnesson Moss act. In fact, I have read it. It is really not that simple and that in fact is not what the act was written for. It was written to cover not forcing owners to have to use the manufacturers parts or service. They cant force you to have service and maintenance at their authorized dealer or using parts that only they sell.
Adding something that alters the functionality is not the same. And on top of all that, they can deny whatever they want and the ball is in your court to take them to court and prove that what you changed did not cause the failure.
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Shotgun76
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So started looking at CVF and now you've got me down the rabbit hole 
So if going CVF, would you recommend replacing the hot & cold piping? What about Plumb Back valve and their SmartPort BOV?
So if going CVF, would you recommend replacing the hot & cold piping? What about Plumb Back valve and their SmartPort BOV?
2020FordRaptor
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The law was meant for aftermarket replacement parts but extends by the wording to aftermarket performance parts. In the end, it really depends on what the dealer wants to actually push for and how they want to word the claim.
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Without a tune the hot side and cold side charge pipes aren’t going to do anything. If you want blowoff sound look at the VTA mod.So started looking at CVF and now you've got me down the rabbit hole
I won't change mine until warranty expires 24 Max 4X Limited
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Insanity on a new 100k truck, from a company that is hemorrhaging money from warranty claims, and has told shareholders it is focussing on any way possible to reduce the bleeding.
You are out of context. The parts themselves may be warranted, but the engine that you put them on is not protected by Magnesson Moss if you put on a part that changes the performance of the engine.
2020FordRaptor
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What? The aftermarket parts might be warranted by whatever company I purchase them from but not the OEM. The engine could be covered if the part is completely unrelated to the problem.
SyndicateZ
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Ford can void the warranty if an aftermarket part is installed and they can use that as reason even if its not suspected cause of the issue.
My service advisor mentioned to me when I picked up my vehicle after having cam phasers replaced that i should remove the oil catch can I have installed next time before going in for any warranty/engine work next time because it could void the warranty. So basically if the dealers wants to be an ass, they can and WILL use any type of aftermarket part to void you if they are having a bad day and or want to be more profitable making a customer pay out of pocket than the less profitable warranty $$$ they get
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