New 2016 Owner - with plenty of questions

[pcmpete]

Just made the switch form Dodge Durango to a 2016 Expedition XLT.
I have a few upgrade questions.

1. Only has a 4-pin trailer plug, what is the best way to upgrade to 5 or 7 pin?

2. Only got one key, but i want install remote start, will this cause an issue?

3. What is the best option for adding a remote start system?

4. Has Sync 1.1 (i think it what is called, small screen with plenty of button) can this be upgraded to the bigger screen version of Sync?

Update.. i was playing with the MyKey function. Now i am stuck in MyKey mode with 65mph limit. Can i clear/delete this setting with only one key.

Thanks

 

[jeff kushner]

I'm afraid that I can't answer your questions but congrats on the new truck!

A member named Lokiwolf will be your best bet for all things "Sync". It looks like your Mykey is telling you that you have the secondary key...not good...maybe a dealer can help? guys?

jeff

 

[JExpedition07]

Yea I'd think you'd want to get another key just because. Congrats on your new ride.

 

[99WhiteC5Coupe]

Just made the switch form Dodge Durango to a 2016 Expedition XLT.
I have a few upgrade questions.

1. Only has a 4-pin trailer plug, what is the best way to upgrade to 5 or 7 pin?

2. Only got one key, but i want install remote start, will this cause an issue?

3. What is the best option for adding a remote start system?

4. Has Sync 1.1 (i think it what is called, small screen with plenty of button) can this be upgraded to the bigger screen version of Sync?

Update.. i was playing with the MyKey function. Now i am stuck in MyKey mode with 65mph limit. Can i clear/delete this setting with only one key.

Thanks

Read your vehicle owner's manual for information on MyKey functions.

 

[Neilster1]

Go to a locksmith first for a key.. they can generally do the programming and won't charge you as much as the dealer will for the same key.

 

[ExpeditionAndy]

Congrats on your new purchase and welcome to the forum.

On the MyKey since you only have one key that is the master so you should be able to go back into the menu and just turn off the features that you accidentally set.

The 7 pin connector comes with the Heavy Duty tow package. Which includes a transmission cooler and a HD radiator if I remember correctly. If you don't want to do it yourself a dealer can install those items. There are several threads on here about adding the 7 pin connector. I think the biggest issue is you have to run a power wire from the battery for power to one of the pins. I don't remember which one.

I had an aftermarket remote start added to my 05 and they were able to clone the key so that they didn't need to have a key in the vehicle. The remote starter used code generator or something like that. The problem with not buying the key from the dealer is you only get a clone of the key that you have so you can't use it to do any programming of additional keys because the vehicle thinks you only have one key. Since you just bought the truck go back to where you bought it and tell them to get the other key or have them make you another key.

You should be able to change out the Sync 1.1 for the larger Sync 3 but it will probably be expensive unless you can find one in the junk yard and it will still probably be expensive.

 

[pcmpete]

Read your vehicle owner's manual for information on MyKey functions.

I wish I read the full manual first. I got in to "just start pushing buttons' mode.
Have appointment with dealer tomorrow to create a new admin key and remove any old admin keys that are out there somewhere (piece of mind).
The MyKey system should warn users on screen first IMHO

 

[pcmpete]

Congrats on your new purchase and welcome to the forum.

On the MyKey since you only have one key that is the master so you should be able to go back into the menu and just turn off the features that you accidentally set.

The 7 pin connector comes with the Heavy Duty tow package. Which includes a transmission cooler and a HD radiator if I remember correctly. If you don't want to do it yourself a dealer can install those items. There are several threads on here about adding the 7 pin connector. I think the biggest issue is you have to run a power wire from the battery for power to one of the pins. I don't remember which one.

I had an aftermarket remote start added to my 05 and they were able to clone the key so that they didn't need to have a key in the vehicle. The remote starter used code generator or something like that. The problem with not buying the key from the dealer is you only get a clone of the key that you have so you can't use it to do any programming of additional keys because the vehicle thinks you only have one key. Since you just bought the truck go back to where you bought it and tell them to get the other key or have them make you another key.

You should be able to change out the Sync 1.1 for the larger Sync 3 but it will probably be expensive unless you can find one in the junk yard and it will still probably be expensive.

I am using to having a 7 pin (on Durango)
I really only 'need' a 5 pin connection for my boat trailer. I have since researched that is any easier conversion. Just connect the fifth pin to the backup lights.

 

[ExpeditionAndy]

I wish I read the full manual first. I got in to "just start pushing buttons' mode.
Have appointment with dealer tomorrow to create a new admin key and remove any old admin keys that are out there somewhere (piece of mind).
The MyKey system should warn users on screen first IMHO

It really sounds like the dealer owes you a 2nd key.

 

[pcmpete]

It really sounds like the dealer owes you a 2nd key.

Unfortunately for me it was a non ford dealer, and the sales rep did tell me they only had one key. Well you live and learn.
i will get a new admin key tomorrow and myself out of 'teenage' driving mode.
Then on to the trailer connector. I want/need to take the boat out this weekend.

 

[LokiWolf]

Yeah, 1 Key does not mean it is the admin Key...It just means somebody lost a key, and possibly the admin key if My Key was setup before.

BY FAR the best thing to do is get a Ford Dealer to clear ALL keys and add the one you have and a new one in. Worth the price to have the keys programmed correctly by a Dealer in my opinion. Like Andy said above, in most cases a 3rd party shop is using the clone method.

You do not need to lose a key on most aftermarket Remote Starts anymore, but I would check to see what price the dealer will do a factory remote start for. If you have factory warranty, prevents any issues, and you might be pleasantly surprised by the price. With that said, have loved my DEI/Viper systems in previous vehicles.

Yes is the quick answer on swapping from Sync Touch to the Full Sync 3 system. If you want Nav there might be more involved. Honestly, go take a look at the F-150 Forums, many have done the swap there. Not cheap if you want new. Jason @ http://www.fordpimods.com/sync-3-navigation-or-system-upgrade.html is a GREAT source of info and can probably help you build a kit. He is where the source files came from that are floating around that let us with Sync 3 1.1 upgrade to 2.2 6 months before Ford released it. GREAT GUY, and knows his stuff.

As far as trailer, you need to remember the towing capacity of an 16 Expy without the Heavy Duty Tow package is 6600. With the Heavy it jumps to 9100. If your Boat is under that, no issues, just splice the 5 Pin in and you are good. LOTS of instructions out there on how to do that, because not a Ford specific issue.

 

[ExpeditionAndy]

Unfortunately for me it was a non ford dealer, and the sales rep did tell me they only had one key. Well you live and learn.
i will get a new admin key tomorrow and myself out of 'teenage' driving mode.
Then on to the trailer connector. I want/need to take the boat out this weekend.

If somebody had already set the other key as the admin key, then buying another key is the only way to solve that problem. Good luck with your new truck. Once you iron out these little wrinkles you'll be very happy with your truck.

 

[pcmpete]

Update. Got a new admin key from dealer ($285) and now the MyKey situation is fixed.
I also asked the service rep how do I get the 5 digit code for the door pad.
I was told they would have connect back up to their computer to retrieve the code and would cost $80. I passed on that.

On my way out the door, another customer got my attention and told me that he over heard my service request. He then proceeded to tell me the two key trick to find the factory code for free.

Why could the service rep not have told me that. Especially being a new customer looking to gain customer loyalty.

Thanks all

 

[ExpeditionAndy]

Update. Got a new admin key from dealer ($285) and now the MyKey situation is fixed.
I also asked the service rep how do I get the 5 digit code for the door pad.
I was told they would have connect back up to their computer to retrieve the code and would cost $80. I passed on that.

On my way out the door, another customer got my attention and told me that he over heard my service request. He then proceeded to tell me the two key trick to find the factory code for free.

Why could the service rep not have told me that. Especially being a new customer looking to gain customer loyalty.

Thanks all

Because those guys are only focused on making money for the shop. You have to talk to the service manager or to someone with broader understanding of customer service.

If you had Sync 3 you could read if from the screen, but if you look in the passenger front foot well, on the right behind the access panel, then to the left and slightly above the fuse box is the module (I forget it's designation) and it has a sticker with the 5 digit code on it.

What is the two key trick?

 

[pcmpete]

After I was told about it I tried it and it worked. Then I searched YouTube and found this

Because those guys are only focused on making money for the shop. You have to talk to the service manager or to someone with broader understanding of customer service.

If you had Sync 3 you could read if from the screen, but if you look in the passenger front foot well, on the right behind the access panel, then to the left and slightly above the fuse box is the module (I forget it's designation) and it has a sticker with the 5 digit code on it.

What is the two key trick?

 

[bobmbx]

After I was told about it I tried it and it worked. Then I searched YouTube and found this

BOOM! Of course, he's the only dealer on the planet who knows that little trick, right?

"Never heard of it...."

 

[LokiWolf]

It has been documented before. You can also look it up via FORScan and change it. Stupid dealer that was going to charge you $80 again.

 

[N9JIG]

Oops! Missed it a few replies above. It is in the Sync 3 system someplace...




So how does this work with the non-insertion keys like we have on the Expedition?

As for the dealer wanting to charge you for it, remember they are in business to make money. Right or wrong, they will almost always steer you towards what makes them money. If they don't they won't be in business very long. You just have to find the right balance between serving your customers and keeping the lights on. I had a similar thing when I bought some parts to upgrade the USB port in my Expedition for Sync 3, they wanted to charge me extra to update the firmware, which I had already done myself (based on what I read in this forum!)

 

[ExpeditionAndy]

Oops! Missed it a few replies above. It is in the Sync 3 system someplace...




So how does this work with the non-insertion keys like we have on the Expedition?

As for the dealer wanting to charge you for it, remember they are in business to make money. Right or wrong, they will almost always steer you towards what makes them money. If they don't they won't be in business very long. You just have to find the right balance between serving your customers and keeping the lights on. I had a similar thing when I bought some parts to upgrade the USB port in my Expedition for Sync 3, they wanted to charge me extra to update the firmware, which I had already done myself (based on what I read in this forum!)

It's in the setting section on the Sync 3.

 

[lbv150]

If you want OEM remote start....all you need is a key kit from the dealer. The PCM has remote start built in. You will get 2 new keys for the remote start and your old key will still work normally. I have the feature in mine and works great!