Ford AC drain elbow installation...

[Hamfisted]

Just thought I'd post some updates to the A/C drain elbow installation. Sooner or later you're going to get water soaking the passenger side carpet insulation and other than a possible clogged drain, this is the only fix. There is a TSB out on this problem, it occurs in the F150, Navigators, Expeditions prior to the 2010 model year.

You need to remove the front right wheel, wheelwell liner, transmission dipstick tube, plastic A/C drain shield, just to access the A/C drain tube end.
Just prior to trying to stick the elbow onto the drain tube end you need to soak the elbow in boiling water for about 15 minutes to soften up the elbow making it much easier to get onto the drain end. Without soaking in boiling water it is almost impossible to get the elbow over the drain end.

I used a long azz screwdriver from underneath the truck to pry the elbow onto the drain end. Its a very tight restrictive area and that's about the only thing you can get up in there. Jacking up the truck to give you some room really helps too. I'm out of time right now but I'll edit this later to clear it up.

-Mike



Drain elbow .... F3LY-6A614-A



Drain elbow in place ....

Plastic drain shield that must be removed.....




Here's the drain shield installed on the truck....

Main tool you'll be using to get the elbow on is a long ass screwdriver....

 

[Captain Morgan]

This is the sort of write up we need for these freakish problems.

THX for being so exacting and taking pics.

At this time, I am still unclear about what the problem is? Is the elbow no longer an elbow? Does it get stopped up? Does the drain cover get stopped up?

+1 for the big-azz screw driver that can be had cheap at HF.



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[Hamfisted]

No elbow from the factory...

There's no elbow from the factory on these trucks. The straight pipe A/C drain only protrudes about 3/8" from the firewall and at highway speeds (due to air pressure against the firewall ) drain water can blow back into the firewall and floor insulation. After putting this elbow on and watching the water drain like a water fountain it was alarming to think that all that water was getting trapped up in the firewall and surrounding insulation. It just pours out on the ground now. The black plastic shield that covers the stock drain tube will be left off now. It does not fit with the elbow there. The job is probably possible without pulling the inner wheelwell liner off if you can get the plastic shield off with the long screwdriver. Pulling the tranny dipstick tube out will give you a little more room ( its held in by one big bolt on the side of the motor head...). Soaking the elbow in boiling water to soften it really helps in the installation. I did not see this mentioned in the TSB or any other write ups.
Overall this is a pain in the butt job. But if it cures the wet flooring its worth it.


-Mike

 

[Noel]

Is this for the 2003 also ?

 

[Hamfisted]

Yes. Any of them that have the A/C draining back into the cabin floor insulation and soaking the carpet. It is a fairly common problem. Maybe they fixed it on the 3rd generation trucks but someone will have to check. The TSB ran all the way to the 2010 model year. So maybe they leave it up to the owners to fix it.



-Mike

 

[WannaBeCarGirl]

Any new tips for this issue? I've got an 04 Navigator I'm trying to do this on. I can only see the drain tube end from underneath the truck and once I get the screwdriver/elbow up there I can't see a thing to get it securely on.

even if I get it in place, I'm not sure I can see from any other vantage point to see if it's on securely. Also cannot get my hand to it, even though I am female so should have smallish hands. I think I can get my hand just within about and inch or so of the drain tube. I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong.

I did unbolt the tranny dipstick but from where I'm going, I can't see that it helped any. And I still can't go from the side or see it from the side.

Thanks for any advice!!
~Marci

 

[Hamfisted]

I boiled the elbow in hot water for about 10 minutes to soften it up before I pushed it on the end piece. That really helped. I think it's too stiff if you don't. Once you have it up there just wiggle it on and it should slip over the drain outlet no problem. I can't say removing the tranny fill tube was that much of a benefit after it was all said and done, but at the time it seemed like a good idea. It's been a few years since I did it and can't really remember much about it.


-Mike

 

[WannaBeCarGirl]

Thanks for the note. I did try boiling it--multiple times since I tried (and failed!) so many times to get it on. I can get it where it looks like it might be on, but then comes dislodged or crooked when I remove the screwdriver. The O2 sensor is right there, the elbow butts up against it.

Even if I get it where it looks like it's on, I'm unsure if the top is snug against the firewall because I can't even see it. and from the tranny dipstick side, I can only see the bottom of the elbow once it's up there.

Been thinking about it all night. Got to try some more...

Thanks again,
~marci

 

[Hamfisted]

Yeah use a long wide blade screwdriver and you should be able to push it on there fairly easy. I got this screwdriver over at Home Cheapo in the Husky tools section.

-Mike

 

[WannaBeCarGirl]

Oh my gosh, y'all, just have to vent. So my husband thought he got the elbow on there after I worked at it a few days. Less than a week later, more water. I slide under the car, no elbow. Figure it fell off.

Meanwhile, my favorite service guy at the shop left so I can't even deal with someone who I trust...but I thought the other guys'd be ok there too.

Had my son take the car into the shop. I explained the problem over the phone, sent the TSB for 2005-2006 Navigators, and another new elbow.

They came back and said the elbow is still on. WTF. My pictures look just like those in this thread so I'm pretty sure i know where I'm looking, no clue where they are looking and I'm real curious to see where the tech thinks he saw the elbow. Yes, I slid under the car again, NO ELBOW.

Going to have to take it back in if I ever get my ride out of the shop and may have to show them exactly what I mean.

I am one frustrated car girl!!!

Thanks for listening...

 

[josh1095]

The 04 i just got doesn't have this problem......yet. Looks like i'm gonna go ahead and do this though. Could turn into a major headache one day.
Thank you for the post and part number

 

[Hamfisted]

New Motorcraft elbow part number is 4M2Z-6A614-AA .....

You may or may not have to, depending on your clearance issue and tool used .... ATF tube retaining bolt on the side of the block ....

If you need to remove the transmission fill tube for clearance....

Plastic cover that usually covers the A/C drain tube outlet .... just pry it off , it won't be used again ....

Primary tool for installing drain elbow.... huge screwdriver from Home Depot .... boil the elbow in water for 10 minutes to soften it up, then stick it on the screwdriver and push it on the drain tube.... once it cools it will stick permanently to the tube....

Here it is installed on the outlet ....

 

[Bain64]

Looking for the best source on parts for this now. What I thought was roof leak seems to be an A/C condensate drain problem.. Thanks once again Hamfisted.

 

[Hamfisted]

Your local dealer can probably get it for you, or online at Tasca Parts.

https://www.tascaparts.com/oem-parts/ford-hose-connector-4m2z6a614aa

Drop it in some boiled water to soften it up before you try to slide it on. The big long screwdriver worked pretty well.



-Mike

 

[1997SCEBFEX]

blue oval part did not work for me despite soaking and long screwdriver :-(

my resolve was a preformed piece of small rubber drain hose with a 90 on it. cut it to fit, then used hvac black seam sealer to hold it in place-works like a dream, and oh yes a flood of water from under the expy when running the a/c.

I also read a thread on here about running the a/c open-air vice recirculate; think moose posted it.

 

[Bain64]

Holy hell that was a pain to remove the plastic shield over the drain line. I used a long breaker bar and finally pried off that rear plastic retaining clip. The drain must be clogged though, I can't even get it to drip while running the AC, even tried a downhill slope to no avail. I used compressed air and a coat hanger but haven't been able to free it up yet. I did not yet install the elbow.

Any way to clear a clogged A/C condensate drain from under/behind the glove box?

 

[Hamfisted]

Yeah, mine is just a 2WD model. Your 4x4 model might be a little more trouble working up under there.
You can drill a hole in the plenum box under the glove box and flush it out from there with some cleaner and a utility sprayer. You can even clean the evaporator through the hole with some spray cleaner. When you're all done just put a piece of black duct tape over the hole, till next time. I just put the hole kinda in line with the drain out opening so I could run a length of clothes hanger down to the drain out hole, or spray directly at it. Works well. Don't go too far over to the left or you might hit the evaporator with your drill bit. But it's pretty far over.

 

[Bain64]

You can drill a hole in the plenum box under the glove box and flush it out from there with some cleaner and a utility sprayer. You can even clean the evaporator through the hole with some spray cleaner. When you're all done just put a piece of black duct tape over the hole, till next time. I just put the hole kinda in line with the drain out opening so I could run a length of clothes hanger down to the drain out hole, or spray directly at it. Works well. Don't go too far over to the left or you might hit the evaporator with your drill bit. But it's pretty far over.

Well that sure beats taking the dash apart. You and the rest of this forum are so helpful, thanks a ton.

 

[josh1095]

@Hamfisted This looks like a great idea. I'm gonna go to the hardware store and look for rubber cap that i could insert in the hole when i'm finished, just to look a lil better. My idea is to use a 1/4" hole, maybe 3/8", and use my air compressor to force air through to clean it out.
I still think i'm gonna need the elbow though. What i have noticed is that it doesn't start "sweating" really hard on the AC coil box and also leaking down the firewall UNLESS i'm driving at highway speeds. My thoughts? It has to do with air flow. If parked and just idling with the ac on it will drain just fine, when at hwy speeds it starts backing up. The air pressure, just by random coincidence in engineering(not factoring air foil and pressures) is causing higher pressures at the drain when at speed, thus causing it not to drain properly. That AND most likely some dirt partially clogging the drain.

Does anyone know the I.D.(inside diameter) of the elbow? I could probably get that at Depot/Lowes/Ace with no problem. It is only a $22 part though so it's not a big deal if i have to order form ford. It's also not my daily driver so not a huge rush.

Thanks, and that was an excellent tip to clean/flush out the AC coil box

 

[Prince_Polaris]

I have a 2003, and anything that helps with the AC sounds like a good idea, but I'm such a massive ****** that this is probably near impossible for me to try... There's a few things I need checked in terms of AC, it seems to be slightly weaker than I'd expect, I have no idea on the status of my cabin air filter (if it exists), and there's the hissing from the rear! Perhaps next oil change I'll ask the shop to replace the air filter too, that's a common service thing, right?