Expedition Expedition to Alaska

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Oh man, an epic ride to say the least. If time & the season allows plus you have the nerve, a ride to the Arctic Circle and Prudhoe Bay would be the cherry on top. It surely isn't for the weak at heart though.

Add to the list of things to take:
cold weather clothing for nights
rain gear
a bunch of SD cards
Hard Drive to back them up
MRE's in case of break down

A two wheel ride to there is on my bucket list once I retire in @5.5 years.

 
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We were in Canada last year and found that some of the bear sprays that are legal in the US are not allowed in Canada. There are bear sprays that you can buy in the US that can be use in Canada however.
 

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We made that trip on nearly the identical routes in 2014 with an ‘02 Expy and again last summer with an ‘18 Expy, both times towing a 27’ travel trailer from Texas. Others have offered excellent ideas on what to take. Pepper spray in the small personal containers are outlawed in Canada, yet the small fire extinguisher sized containers labeled for bear protection are okay. Go figure. Likewise handguns are prohibited in Canada, long guns are permitted with a permit and a small fee for transport to Alaska, but are prohibited within the confines of Canadian National Parks. Check the Customs Canada websites for things to know when crossing into Canada.

You might not have much need for flashlights as you travel north. It will still be light after 11PM from mid-June through mid-July. We went up on the Dome at Dawson City to watch the sunset on the 4th of July at 1:30 AM! Be prepared for Canadians to wish you a happy 4th of July, can’t say I know any Americans who wish our Canadian neighbors a Happy Canada Day (Jul 1).

Dawson City is different, the paved road to it from Whitehorse was the worst stretch we encountered on the way north. From DC to Chicken, the road on the Canadian side is entirely gravel and isn’t a bad road if it’s dry... Too dry and it’s dusty; wet it can be slippery and the stuff the wheels kick up sticks like concrete. On the Alaskan side of the border, you greeted by an asphalt stretch that is a pretty rough ride. The American border agents take their days off in DC rather than take the road through Chicken to Tok. It’s worthy of a once-in-a-lifetime trip, we did it once with no damage, but the other time we stuck to the Alacan to Tok with a side day trip to Chicken. Chicken? I guess one has to say they’ve been there, but don’t expect a whole lot. As for the rest of Alaska and the Alcan, and to a degree the Cassiar, it’s an amazing road trip and entire summer may not seem like enough time.

Allow plenty of time more than anything else. Our travel days rarely exceeded 200 miles per day. There’s just so much to soak in coming and going that if you go further, you may miss things you will wish you hadn’t later on.

As for Canada, exchange some American for Canadian in small denominations. The 1st bank with an ATM is our choice. Nearly all Canadian businesses accept Visa and MasterCard and you’ll get the best exchange rate for gas, groceries, restaurants, etc. but be sure your card won’t ding you for the exchange rate. Each card provider is different. Don’t expect to use Discover or Amex in Canada. You should need Canadian cash only for unmanned Canadian Provincial parks and in case the fuel stop doesn't have a working card reader.... Expect that fuel will get more expensive as you venture from civilization. Canadian gas is about on par with California to start with. In remote areas, don’t be shocked if they want nearly about $7/gallon after the exchange rates. Fortunately, we didn't find much of that, but fill up in the bigger areas and try not to get below 1/2 tank so that you can avoid those few pricey spots. Also touch base with your card providers to let them know you will be in Canada so that your card won’t be declined for a possible fraud alert.

The Alaskan Highway no longer has the reputation for eating tires and breaking windshields as it once did. Take your time, maintain a good following distance and move right when you see oncoming vehicles and your dings will be minimal if any. Don’t hesitate to come to a stop if someone coming is flinging gravel. Watch for the orange cones, streamers, paint on the pavement, etc. Alaska has barely 4 months to fix the roads each year (same for that part of Canada) so there will be some WOW bumps and if you take them as speed, everything will get homogenized. Nearly all are identified with something orange.

Depending on month and location, you may see more mosquitoes then you’ve ever seen, or you may see virtually none. A current copy of the MilePost can be invaluable, but it will take a bit before you understand it. Updated every year, it contains a list of every business and things to look for by mile markers on all the major routes in NW Canada and Alaska. With it, you can find fuel, wildlife, road damage and some great tips. Published each Spring from the previous year’s reports, there will be some minor changes. A section may have already been repaved by the time you get there, or a previous stretch is now under construction. Most business and wildlife are consistent from year to year.
 

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50 states for a grandson before graduation! Congratulations!!! After re-reading your posts, I see camping it not in the picture. With a bit of common sense, you will probably have no need for bear spray, but if you do get one, it might be useful if someone were to try to mug you in Newark. They’d never expect that!

We’ve never felt the need for a firearm and that becomes a personal choice and many have an opinion either way.

If your vehicle is in sound shape, tires and battery are okay, you shouldn’t expect any trouble. You can just as easily have a blowout in Iowa as in Alaska. Things like oil changes are easily done in Whitehorse as in Fairbanks or Anchorage.

Your grandson many find it interesting to know that there are many pilots his age in Alaska that may not yet have a driver’s license.
 
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Folks,

Thanks VERY much for all your helpful suggestions. I’ll try to update the plans but not replying individually to each post…because that would be unwieldy with as many multiquotes as it would include.

I’ve had long, heavy duty jumper cables since we bought the truck 5 years ago. We’ve now just picked up 2 24 oz cans of tire sealant, which should work on Expedition tires; a Swiss army knife, just in case; an auto tool kit in a case; a better first aid kit in a case (our old emergency kit can go to my grandson for his car, driving around near Houston); a 20-foot 30k-lb tow strap with loops; and a tire step for getting up into the Thule cargo box, which we will pick up in early June.

I’ll pick up some gorilla tape and 2 2-person emergency blankets before we depart, as well as 3 trays of water bottles – and we will bring a sharpie to prevent any arguments about ownership of a bottle in use or rolling around on the floor. We have a large insulated cooler with a Velcro-secured opening on top for easy access, it will go on the 2nd row between the two passengers. Should allow for plenty of refrigerated food as well as cold drinks. We will also have plenty of other non-refrigerated food along. Got plenty of wipes, too.

As we are bringing along the rechargeable tire pump and the jump starter, I think we will hold off on a new battery for now. The original battery has been behaving well though I recognize it could be reaching the end of its useful life. We are scheduled for regular service at the Ford dealer in Minot ND just before we wander into Canada but we’ve got to get to Saskatoon that night. The dealer said adding spark plug change to the service would mean he’d have the vehicle most of the day – so I’ll postpone that until the next service, which will certainly be due by the time we get back to the Houston area. I have no idea why the dealer thinks changing spark plugs takes so long but we don’t have spare time that day. I’ll also be sure that the dealer does a thorough check on the spare tire, which is the full size original. I’ve used it before without difficulty, but only for 100 miles or so.

I’m still undecided about the spare belt – I’m not sure I’d do very well at changing one in the field – but I’ll ask the dealer in ND to look at it carefully, and if it looks funky at all, change it.

On the way back from the dealer to the hotel in Minot, I’ll pick up appropriate bear spray at an nearby outdoor supply store I’ve identified. Better than what I can get in NJ, and cheaper than in Canada. Guns not an option.

Clothing – absolutely need to be flexible, from 30s up to 70s, rain or not, and lots of effective mosquito repellent. I understand the mosquitos are large enough to have first class and economy sections. We are also well set up with camera phones, a DSLR camera with excellent optical zoom, lots of memory for devices, both SD, microSD, dual connector pen drives, laptop, and external HDs.

The Milepost is very cool. Bought 2 copies of the 2019 book, one for me and one was sent to my grandson. Also been through the web site and I downloaded the relevant maps, pieced them together into a single PDF file, and composed an index page in the order of our route, and you can tap on each line and it jumps to the right map. We will load that file into the two tablets the family is bringing.

I downloaded coverage maps from our cellular provider, pieced them together, and overlaid our route. Looks like our longest coverage gap will be around 460 miles Cassiar BC37 heading south once we cut off from the Alcan. All of us in the car are also adding our carrier’s North American option for the duration of our trip so that nobody gets nailed with surprise charges. I took a look at SiriusXM coverage and it disappears pretty quickly after we cross from BC to YT. Of course, the built-in nav database in the 2014 Expedition doesn’t need any external help to be wrong , no matter how often you buy the updates (Make a Legal U-Turn! Joe’s Crab Shark in South Plainfield NJ!).

Did a bit of research on the money issues…found my bank has an alliance with a bank in Canada so no extra fees for withdrawal from an ATM up there, and the exchange rate is good, set by Visa. First ATM is only a half hour drive after our first entry to Canada. This way is much better than pre-purchasing Canada dollars in the US at my bank or a forex bureau. Upgraded one of my airline credit cards so now I’ll have no foreign transaction fees (it was 3%), plus double miles on gas, food, lodging. As usual, I will alert all the cards about the travel plans. They even make it possible to do through their mobile apps these days.

I think we will be back in the US by July, so I won’t have to worry about Canada Day greetings…I’ll be down south, wondering how people can have a Confederate flag sticker on their vehicle and still celebrate the 4th of July.

Again, thanks everyone for all the suggestions. We will certainly document the trip and share what we can.
 

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On a long trip like that … I take an extra (backup) wallet and hide it inside the Expy. I make a copy of everything in my regular wallet, put a few hundred in cash, an extra Expy key, and an extra credit card. That way if I get robbed or lose my wallet & keys I can still get in the vehicle using keypad and drive and money and credit card and can call to cancel cards etc. Never had to use it, reason being ITS THERE!

I wonder how medical works in Canada if you need care? I know in the USA my BCBS tells me to go to any Emergency Room. I've had to do that more than once!

Long trips in remote places … Sirius Radio is nice to have.
Oh … I see you said it stops once far enough north & west. who'd a thunk?
 
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On a long trip like that … I take an extra (backup) wallet and hide it inside the Expy. I make a copy of everything in my regular wallet, put a few hundred in cash, an extra Expy key, and an extra credit card. That way if I get robbed or lose my wallet & keys I can still get in the vehicle using keypad and drive and money and credit card and can call to cancel cards etc. Never had to use it, reason being ITS THERE!

I wonder how medical works in Canada if you need care? I know in the USA my BCBS tells me to go to any Emergency Room. I've had to do that more than once!

Long trips in remote places … Sirius Radio is nice to have.
Oh … I see you said it stops once far enough north & west. who'd a thunk?

It just occurred to me when I was dealing with cellular coverage maps that I should also check SiriusXM. Here's a link to their coverage map: https://www.siriusxm.com/coveragemap. I'm not too worried about it - I have 2 pen drives full of music and podcasts, and as for local businesses, Milepost will serve us well when we are outside of SiriusXM coverage. By the way, below my sig is that cellular map with route overlaid.

I'm on Medicare with supplemental, my wife is on BCBS, and the grandkids are covered by my son's employer-provided insurance. I have copies of everyone's med cards, a medical care authorization for the grandkids from their parents, everyone's passports and driver licenses, and I keep that copy in the truck along with a soft copy loaded into the cloud I can download from anywhere. Each person carries their own original docs.

My wife, my grandson, and I each carry our own copy of the truck key, and each of us also know the door combination code. But I like your idea of hiding some cash and one credit card in the truck, so I will. I also use an app on laptop and phone called e-Wallet, and all my credit card and ID info including numbers to call for emergencies is encrypted there. There is also a copy in the cloud for me - so I think that's covered too.


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I'm an truly in awe of your preparedness. Please tell me you were once a Boy Scout...
 
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I'm an truly in awe of your preparedness. Please tell me you were once a Boy Scout...
Thanks for the compliment...I was indeed a Boy Scout...but that was soooo long ago. Also was a ham radio operator working on emergency preparedness, a private pilot who once had to land a small plane in a school yard, and so on. First cross country road trip I had to plan was in 1986 with the kids and a huge stack of AAA maps and books. :) It all adds up. Trying to pass on a love for the road to my grandkids and it seems to be working.

One of the most fun things though was with my then 3 year old granddaughter, who loves my "Shiny Blue Truck". I had her stand in front of it and I told her to say "Beetlejuice" 3 times. On the third time, I hit the remote start in my pocket and the horn honked and engine started. She's sure she had a mystical relationship with the Expedition. Also had her wave a toy wand to open the liftgate. Then I found a web site that does text to voice conversion (https://ttsmp3.com/), wrote a lot of individual clips addressing her by name and saying things that only family would know, but in a female voice similar to the nav in the truck. Put them on a pen drive, played the clips while driving her to preschool. The kid will believe in AI before she hits kindergarten.
 

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Thanks for the compliment...I was indeed a Boy Scout...but that was soooo long ago. Also was a ham radio operator working on emergency preparedness, a private pilot who once had to land a small plane in a school yard, and so on. First cross country road trip I had to plan was in 1986 with the kids and a huge stack of AAA maps and books. :) It all adds up. Trying to pass on a love for the road to my grandkids and it seems to be working.

One of the most fun things though was with my then 3 year old granddaughter, who loves my "Shiny Blue Truck". I had her stand in front of it and I told her to say "Beetlejuice" 3 times. On the third time, I hit the remote start in my pocket and the horn honked and engine started. She's sure she had a mystical relationship with the Expedition. Also had her wave a toy wand to open the liftgate. Then I found a web site that does text to voice conversion (https://ttsmp3.com/), wrote a lot of individual clips addressing her by name and saying things that only family would know, but in a female voice similar to the nav in the truck. Put them on a pen drive, played the clips while driving her to preschool. The kid will believe in AI before she hits kindergarten.

The "BeetleJuice" story is hilarious. I can picture the look on her face when that bad boy started up. Pure amazement I'm sure.

I always told my grandkids I'm the one doing all the whistling on the "Frampton Comes Alive" album. Amazing the way they buy into it. Best part of being "Augie"...it's what they've all called me instead of Grandpa. Again, best wishes to you and your travel companions. What a fantastic opportunity for all. Stay safe....

Jim
 
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The "BeetleJuice" story is hilarious. I can picture the look on her face when that bad boy started up. Pure amazement I'm sure.

I always told my grandkids I'm the one doing all the whistling on the "Frampton Comes Alive" album. Amazing the way they buy into it. Best part of being "Augie"...it's what they've all called me instead of Grandpa. Again, best wishes to you and your travel companions. What a fantastic opportunity for all. Stay safe....

Jim
Well...if we're going to remember stories we told the young ones...

My kids once asked me how the street lights go on at night and off in the morning. I told them it was the electric birds...there's a switch on top of each light pole, and the birds come around at dawn to tap each one with their beaks and turn off the lights, and again at dusk to turn them on. A few days later, my wife asked me why the kids were getting up at 5:30 am and staring out the front window...I feigned ignorance.

Another time they saw an old TV show in black and white, and asked me when color TV started. I explained that TV had always been in color, but before 1964 the WORLD was in black and white. Not sure they bought that.

As for grandkids...in summer of 2015 the then-12, 10, and 7 year old were on a tour of the west with me...and on I-15 heading from Utah to Las Vegas, we passed a sign indicating we were crossing the Virgin River. The 7 year old asked me what a virgin is...and I had to think of something fast. So I explained it was a person or thing that had not yet experienced something in particular, could be any number of things. The older two started giggling, and said that wasn't the real meaning. So thinking fast again, I pointed out that they had a bottle of virgin olive oil in their kitchen - and that they should tell me exactly what that olive oil had or hadn't done to deserve that name. Shut them up for the next 50 miles...

I've told my grandson that on this trip I expect him to learn how to parallel park between a moose and a grizzly. He's up for it.
 

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Those are hilarious...the black and white world in particular. I really enjoy being around the grandkids..as well as my 2 daughters of course. I have had the privilege of showing all 4 of the grandkids how to show their food at the dinner table ( at our house). The girls complained at first, but they knew it was inevitable. My oldest granddaughter blessed me with my great granddaughter. As I mentioned before, I'm am "Augie" to the grandkids. I picture myself as I age (66 now) wearing a cabbies hat, 3/4 smoked cigar in my mouth, and a bit cantankerous. To me that's "Augie". Anyway, my daughter suggested that I will be known to Astraea (not a fan of the name but..) as "Graugie". Can't wait to show my food to her!

I sure hope you will be able to find the time to keep us abreast...this has been a great read.

Have a blast!!!

Jim
 

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I’ll try to update the plans but not replying individually to each post…because that would be unwieldy with as many multiquotes as it would include.
Bob, by answering everyone's questions, you have put together a GREAT checklist for others to use who may embark on the same adventure. Plus, your subsequent comments, where you performed some "magic" with/on your grandchildren, demonstrate that you have the right mindset to make this trek with them a successful one. This journey will provide you and your grandchildren a lifetime of memories!
Godspeed on this journey, and have fun!
 
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Bob, by answering everyone's questions, you have put together a GREAT checklist for others to use who may embark on the same adventure. Plus, your subsequent comments, where you performed some "magic" with/on your grandchildren, demonstrate that you have the right mindset to make this trek with them a successful one. This journey will provide you and your grandchildren a lifetime of memories!
Godspeed on this journey, and have fun!

Well said.....
 
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Those are hilarious...the black and white world in particular. I really enjoy being around the grandkids..as well as my 2 daughters of course. I have had the privilege of showing all 4 of the grandkids how to show their food at the dinner table ( at our house). The girls complained at first, but they knew it was inevitable. My oldest granddaughter blessed me with my great granddaughter. As I mentioned before, I'm am "Augie" to the grandkids. I picture myself as I age (66 now) wearing a cabbies hat, 3/4 smoked cigar in my mouth, and a bit cantankerous. To me that's "Augie". Anyway, my daughter suggested that I will be known to Astraea (not a fan of the name but..) as "Graugie". Can't wait to show my food to her!

I sure hope you will be able to find the time to keep us abreast...this has been a great read.

Have a blast!!!

Jim
Jim,

I'll be turning 66 next month - hence our planned visit to the Oklahoma Route 66 Museum on the way back to Houston. Gotta be a good photo opportunity in that. :)
 
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Bob, by answering everyone's questions, you have put together a GREAT checklist for others to use who may embark on the same adventure. Plus, your subsequent comments, where you performed some "magic" with/on your grandchildren, demonstrate that you have the right mindset to make this trek with them a successful one. This journey will provide you and your grandchildren a lifetime of memories!
Godspeed on this journey, and have fun!
Steve, I think we've been building up road trip memories for these grandkids since 2015 - took them on a grand tour of the west, lots of natural wonders, plus amusement park, plus a live concert by Chicago during which they were amazed or appalled (not sure which) at seeing old people getting up an dancing. Subsequent road trips hit the midwest, up to Mt Rushmore; the south, during which they played with their young cousin in Atlanta; and last summer, New England with Niagara Falls on the way up. The Alaska trip promises to be a bit more ambitious. Fortunately, they used to live in Hawaii, otherwise I'd be asking the forum members where to buy floaties for my Expedition.
 

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Those grandkids are well traveled. I’ve been to 35 states and I think they have a couple on me.
 

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