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[creef14]

by federal law in order for an auto warranty company to deny coverage because of installation of an aftermarket part they have to prove the aftermarket part was the direct cause of the warranty claim....that doesn't mean they won't try to deny coverage

but if you push on them they have to cover it or PROVE your catch can, in this case, caused whatever issue they're refusing to cover.

 

[Machete]

You entertain me immensely.

You bring up a Motor from the Super Duty line as an example. Something that will never be used in a 1/2 Ton SUV. The example you used before the HEMI, You were wrong about...can’t even stick to your original talking points.

If I was buying another 250(Which by the way I owned for 11 Years) I would consider a 7.3, but would most likely do the 6.7L Diesel...cause well Diesel and Turbo!

EVERY Modern engine with a PCV system has the gunk...so not really something you can blame on 2 less cylinders or the Turbo. The DI is an issue, but the Gen 2 EB’s solve that by adding PI also(best of both worlds). The DI is yet again not the 2 less cylinders or the Turbo’s fault.

It’s like you are defined by the number of cylinders in your vehicle.

I am VERY happy with my weeny V6 with 2 Turbos, in both my SUV’s. Nothing in their class can run with them under pretty much any circumstances! Both Towing and around the town. Plus easy to make even quicker.

If you don’t like the EB motors kindly move on out of a thread dedicated pretty much to the EB.


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Not sure you’re reading my point accurately.

First, DI in a rice burner is one thing. DI plus VVT plus teeny weeny v6 plus TT in a PICKUP TRUCK is quite another.

Ford did this. Not Chevy nor dodge, certainly not Toyo. Ford.

The HEMI in the Dodge PICKUP TRUCK is a v8 pusher. You comprende-ing yet amigo?

It’s TRUCKS, it’s VVT, it’s DI, it’s v6, IN FORD PICKUP TRUCKS.

There are reasons FORD decided to return to pushrod normally aspirated v8 in their new PICKUP TRUCK.

Note the absence of the teeny weeny v6 in their premium platform... which is a FORD PICKUP TRUCK.

Boy I hope this clears up my point.

 

[Machete]

Some more edumacation for locowolf.

“The F-150’s 2.7L and 3.5L EcoBoost V6s are good motors for a light-duty truck, but put them in a medium-duty role and they’d work too hard, too often to put out their normally impressive fuel economy numbers. They’re also light-duty truck motors built to light-duty specifications, says Beltramo, and their durability would suffer as the high, constant work loads built up too much engine heat. The 7.3L V8 is designed to work harder for longer, the way commercial operators tend to use their Super Duty trucks.”

An F150 became “light duty” when they castrated the engines to v6.

The man-sized Godzilla power plant uses conventional port injection. Hmmm.

 

[LokiWolf]

Not sure you’re reading my point accurately.

First, DI in a rice burner is one thing. DI plus VVT plus teeny weeny v6 plus TT in a PICKUP TRUCK is quite another.

Ford did this. Not Chevy nor dodge, certainly not Toyo. Ford.

The HEMI in the Dodge PICKUP TRUCK is a v8 pusher. You comprende-ing yet amigo?

It’s TRUCKS, it’s VVT, it’s DI, it’s v6, IN FORD PICKUP TRUCKS.

There are reasons FORD decided to return to pushrod normally aspirated v8 in their new PICKUP TRUCK.

Note the absence of the teeny weeny v6 in their premium platform... which is a FORD PICKUP TRUCK.

Boy I hope this clears up my point.

Man, You are clueless. Every time you type a response you prove that even more. VVT has NOTHING to do with needing a Catch Can! It has zero to do with Carbon deposits.

Being a “pusher” has nothing to do with needing a Catch Can or Carbon Deposits. The modern HEMI is a DI motor, therefore it has Carbon Deposit issues also. It can also benefit from a Catch Can, hence why the HellCat equipped ones come from the factory with one.

This thread was to help people protect their EB 3.5’s for a small price, and prevent issues down the road. You came in to this thread like you do any other EB based thread and talk down about the EB motor. Move on, go elsewhere. Please. Go buy a 250 with the 7.3(It looks like it is going to be a great motor). Want an American SUV with a V8, go get a new Yukon(They look very nice by the way) or a Durango. I honestly don’t care.

The 7.3 was designed to give larger trucks, 250 and above a gas alternative that was dependable, made decent low end power, and did not have the initial buy in of a Diesel or the maintenance cost. It was built using tech from the PS, and the EB. Like J07 said, it is designed with DI in the future and has VCT. This isn’t the old school motor of the past, just looks like it.

If Ford was going to put a V8 in the Expy, it would be the 5.0, not the 7.3. Oh and guess what, a catch can would be a good idea on it also!

 

[LokiWolf]

Some more edumacation for locowolf.

“The F-150’s 2.7L and 3.5L EcoBoost V6s are good motors for a light-duty truck, but put them in a medium-duty role and they’d work too hard, too often to put out their normally impressive fuel economy numbers. They’re also light-duty truck motors built to light-duty specifications, says Beltramo, and their durability would suffer as the high, constant work loads built up too much engine heat. The 7.3L V8 is designed to work harder for longer, the way commercial operators tend to use their Super Duty trucks.”

An F150 became “light duty” when they castrated the engines to v6.

The man-sized Godzilla power plant uses conventional port injection. Hmmm.

Hold on, did I ever say the 3.5EB should be in a Super Duty? Nope.

F-150’s have always been “light-duty”. If you tow heavy every day, a Super Duty is what you want. I owned one for 11 years, because it worked hard on weekends. Never said any different, did I. Go read my previous posts if you would like.

Yet, a little twist on the light-duty. A 3.5TT equipped F150 can be configured to tow over 13K, my 2006 F250 with a diesel, had a max of 12.5K. So times have changed a bit.

You really are caught up on this size thing. Compensating?

Please move on. I am sick of dropping to your level.


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[JExpedition07]

Im trying to understand how bashing the EcoBoost has to do with a catch can thread......This is like asking what oil to use in a 1st gen truck and then a bunch of 3rd gen guys come in and say how terrible it is because they are known to blow out spark plugs. Bashing is not very productive for helping out.....just kind of a space waster on a thread filled with valuable info.

 

[lbv150]

Some people just don't understand the concept of a can and how the PCV system works in a gas engine. Note I did not mention the Eco, DI or boosted....doesn't matter. If you want to keep crap out of the intake on ANY gas engine...can it!

 

[HawkX66]

An F150 became “light duty” when they castrated the engines to v6.

What a foolish statement. I have both a 2017 and a 2007 Expy. My 17 will run circles around my 07. That's regular day to day driving as well as towing my 24' enclosed trailer. That's the trailer that holds my 525hp 550lbft tq 460ci 69 Camaro...

 

[Machete]

Man, You are clueless. Every time you type a response you prove that even more. VVT has NOTHING to do with needing a Catch Can! It has zero to do with Carbon deposits.

Being a “pusher” has nothing to do with needing a Catch Can or Carbon Deposits. The modern HEMI is a DI motor, therefore it has Carbon Deposit issues also. It can also benefit from a Catch Can, hence why the HellCat equipped ones come from the factory with one.

This thread was to help people protect their EB 3.5’s for a small price, and prevent issues down the road. You came in to this thread like you do any other EB based thread and talk down about the EB motor. Move on, go elsewhere. Please. Go buy a 250 with the 7.3(It looks like it is going to be a great motor). Want an American SUV with a V8, go get a new Yukon(They look very nice by the way) or a Durango. I honestly don’t care.

The 7.3 was designed to give larger trucks, 250 and above a gas alternative that was dependable, made decent low end power, and did not have the initial buy in of a Diesel or the maintenance cost. It was built using tech from the PS, and the EB. Like J07 said, it is designed with DI in the future and has VCT. This isn’t the old school motor of the past, just looks like it.

If Ford was going to put a V8 in the Expy, it would be the 5.0, not the 7.3. Oh and guess what, a catch can would be a good idea on it also!

Dude did you ever get that GED? Cause you still don’t understand what iba be talkin bout, yu feel me?

Im not correlating VVT to catch cans. I’m ... fuggedaboudit.

 

[Machete]

What a foolish statement. I have both a 2017 and a 2007 Expy. My 17 will run circles around my 07. That's regular day to day driving as well as towing my 24' enclosed trailer. That's the trailer that holds my 525hp 550lbft tq 460ci 69 Camaro...

That lil ecoboost is for light duty only. Tow what you want. It’s blow up soon enough. Your cam phasers, guides, and chains will begin to disintegrate and start sounding like a diesel.

 

[Machete]

Here. Edumacate yaselves.

https://ericthecarguy.com/kunena/common-problems-pattern-failures/55270-3-5-liter-ecoboost-issues

 

[HawkX66]

That lil ecoboost is for light duty only. Tow what you want. It’s blow up soon enough. Your cam phasers, guides, and chains will begin to disintegrate and start sounding like a diesel.

Never said it was heavy duty, but then again your "big" 5.4L is light duty also... Blow up? That's funny. Now I'm starting to think you're just a long term troll. At minimum, you have little to no knowledge.

 

[creef14]

Dude did you ever get that GED? Cause you still don’t understand what iba be talkin bout, yu feel me?

Im not correlating VVT to catch cans. I’m ... fuggedaboudit.

You must be dumb as a box of rocks...if you're not talking about catch cans why the hell are you in a threat titled "Catch Can!"?

Other than that, your posts are too stupid to respond to specifically. But, these light duties will make your 5.4 look and feel like a Civic. You have no idea what you're talking about and you just keep making that more and more clear....do yourself a favor and stop

Here. Edumacate yaselves.

https://ericthecarguy.com/kunena/common-problems-pattern-failures/55270-3-5-liter-ecoboost-issues

BTW, that video is 5 years old, a lot has changed since then. and the video description goes back to the whole point of this thread, which you hijacked with pure nonsense and BS, "Your absolute BEST Defense against this is a Quality Dual Catch Can"

 

[LokiWolf]

Dude did you ever get that GED? Cause you still don’t understand what iba be talkin bout, yu feel me?

Im not correlating VVT to catch cans. I’m ... fuggedaboudit.

HAHA, You REALLY do not want to start talking Degrees, Certs and experience with me. You will lose.

I understand that this is a thread about Catch Can’s, and all you can do is come in it to bash the EB, without providing any valuable information. You tried to say that was why you would not own an EB equipped vehicle, yet every engine you mentioned until the 7.3 also has DI and issues with Carbon buildup made better by a Catch Can. Then you threw out a Motor designed for a completely different use case that will NEVER be in an Expedition. That in the Future will most likely also have DI, and could like mentioned above still benefit from a Catch Can.

It is very clear that I understand WAY more about how these things tick that you EVER will. Please keep responding. It just proves my point even further. I’ll be waiting.


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[aagitch]

Hoping to put in a catch can for my expy this coming month. I watched a video of the 2.7 eco, 3.5 eco, and V8 F150’s competing pulling max weight and the v8 didn’t even compare. Then they tuned each of the three and pulled again. The v8 was destroyed by the eco’s. The 2.7 actually ended up dropping the driveshaft. Not bad for teeny weeny motors.

 

[JExpedition07]

Many kind of ripped apart that video with good points though. One was elevation. Two no axle ratios were supplied and the 5.0 and 3.5 were heavy crew cab trucks vs an extended cab 2.7. Also note the V8 and 3.5 EB come with a heavier gauge frame and 9.75” gear set which increases weight and resistance even further. The 5.0 is more of the top end performer of the line, that is why it won’t be in the Expedition. Comparing meat of the torque curve the 5.4L has a lot more low end torque than the 5.0 which is why the 5.4L was the engine in these trucks through 2014. Torque is the same reason the 3.5 EcoBoost was selected for this platform too. These trucks have more curb weight and require a lot of torque.

 

[LokiWolf]

come with the thicker gauge frame

J07, All F150’s have the same frame...

Agree on the gearing.

The 2.7 is very stout for it’s size. There are vids all over of the 2.7 being quicker, in the same cab config, and rear end. It is quicker unloaded in most cases. It has a weight advantage and the Turbos spool a little quicker.


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[LokiWolf]

Hoping to put in a catch can for my expy this coming month. I watched a video of the 2.7 eco, 3.5 eco, and V8 F150’s competing pulling max weight and the v8 didn’t even compare. Then they tuned each of the three and pulled again. The v8 was destroyed by the eco’s. The 2.7 actually ended up dropping the driveshaft. Not bad for teeny weeny motors.

Whose video are you referencing?

Get that catch can on there!


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[bobmbx]

Whose video are you referencing?

Get that catch can on there!


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I think its the one where a drive shaft snaps.

 

[JExpedition07]

J07, All F150’s have the same frame...

Agree on the gearing.

The 2.7 is very stout for it’s size. There are vids all over of the 2.7 being quicker, in the same cab config, and rear end. It is quicker unloaded in most cases. It has a weight advantage and the Turbos spool a little quicker.


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Actually there are two thickness for the 15+. You can get the maximum payload package on the 5.0L or 3.5L which includes a thicker frame.