Body Shop says Platinum Grill will not fit XLT :(

[Lou Hamilton]

Personally, I don't give a rats ass about autonomous systems in cars. I buy a car to drive it. I really don't want it to drive me. I would hire an Uber or chauffeur if I did not want to drive. If that is an argument for why a car is better, then I give up. Pure stupidity of a case, IMO.

As far as technology, EVERYTHING gets "better" every year. That is just life in the tech world. I work in the tech industry and know that this to be true. The bigger difference is how it is implemented, i.e., performance, GUI, etc. Just slapping a pretty new interface on an old processor is still going to give you a dog of a system. Same thing if you put the newest and greatest processors in a system, but run old, buggy code. Think running Windows 10 on a 1st Gen i7 processor or running Windows 3.1 on an 9th Gen i9 processor. Either way, you have a **** system.

 

[JExpedition07]

Personally, I don't give a rats ass about autonomous systems in cars. I buy a car to drive it. I really don't want it to drive me. I would hire an Uber or chauffeur if I did not want to drive. If that is an argument for why a car is better, then I give up. Pure stupidity of a case, IMO.

As far as technology, EVERYTHING gets "better" every year. That is just life in the tech world. I work in the tech industry and know that this to be true. The bigger difference is how it is implemented, i.e., performance, GUI, etc. Just slapping a pretty new interface on an old processor is still going to give you a dog of a system. Same thing if you put the newest and greatest processors in a system, but run old, buggy code. Think running Windows 10 on a 1st Gen i7 processor or running Windows 3.1 on an 9th Gen i9 processor. Either way, you have a **** system.

Likewise! I’m a motorist and I enjoy driving and always will do so, it’s not a chore for me so much as a hobby. I buy, service, drive, and enjoy.

 

[edizzle]

So it’s a goalpost move. Anytime tech improves or is done differently it’s considered an industry first now.

Well. In that case. You win.



But the revel ultima is DIFFERENT. It has 30 speakers, wavepoint guides, point source architecture and field balancing rings. Soooooo....

Voila. Industry first! That’s easy.

This has been really fun but probably time to move on eh? Honestly enjoy your new rig.

Wow!!

 

[edizzle]

I believe I said it was pretty much on par from a technology standpoint. The navigator certainly has a more advanced engine and transmission but perhaps we’re not considering those as technology

In my opinion, and I called this out, super cruise is really the only meaningful advancement. All of the rest are minor (at best) have been done before and are simply remixed for the Escalade. And yes it’s an opinion, but I simply don’t find any of them compelling. The only true advancement on the Escalade is a really big screen.

I’m honestly not trying to make you so emotional. I’ve said it many times I’ve had lots of GM’s and have loved all of them. I’m sure you’ll love the Escalade. And I bet you’ll end up loving the heads up display a lot more than you think!


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Wow, I’m at a loss for words. I haven’t had a conversation like this with a child much less an adult. It has nothing to do with what you think is valuable or useful!!!! It is SIMPLE MATHEMATICAL FACT. It doesn’t matter if the tech is new or 10 years old!! The fact is the caddy has it and the Ford/Lincoln doesn’t!!!! Do you know what a ******* fact is?!?!?!?! It’s not a debate, I posted 7 things directly related to technology that the Navi doesn’t have!!!!! What do you not understand?!?! I am not emotionally connected to the caddy, I don’t own one, I don’t give shit! I have owned two 4th gen platinums and love them overall. It doesn’t change the fact that the Cadillac has more TECH!!! LOL!! That is all I have said, I haven’t changed anything, moved the goalposts, nothing.

 

[edizzle]

https://carbuzz.com/features/7-features-that-make-the-new-2021-cadillac-escalade-a-tech-monster

https://www.google.com/amp/s/financ...ac-2021-escalade-features-many-185932486.html

[URL]https://www.autoinfluence.com/the-2021-cadillac-escalade-and-its-new-tech/[/URL]

I mean to be fair I’m not the only one talking about it’s tech!!!

 

[carymccarr]

I haven’t changed anything, moved the goalposts, nothing.

Yeah.

Except you did.

Remember when you decided that technology used on Toyota minivans for half a decade was now an ‘industry first!’?

Goalpost move.

Again dude, I’m sorry you are so emotional about this. I’m sure you’ll love the escalade. But i wouldn’t be pinning my hopes on a biggerer screen and ‘tech’ that’s been used for years.

I agree with you that the escalade has some things the Navi doesn’t. Just like the Navi has tech the escalade doesn’t.

You win?

 

[carymccarr]

I mean to be fair I’m not the only one talking about it’s tech!!!

To be fair, the only ‘industry first’ they note is the biggerestest screen. So yeah. You. Nailed. It.

Honestly, does it even have adaptive headlights or ‘phone as a key’?

 

[ib_jigged]

So are we still talking about putting a platinum grille on an XLT here? I was looking forward to a useful thread...

 

[Lou Hamilton]

So are we still talking about putting a platinum grille on an XLT here? I was looking forward to a useful thread...

I think we should put an Escalade grille on a Navigator and call it an Escavator.

Damn, I crack myself up. I think this state-at-home is making stir crazy. Are those big spiders on the ceiling?


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[carymccarr]

I think we should put an Escalade grille on a Navigator and call it an Escavator.

Voila! Industry first!


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[JExpedition07]

I’m still waiting for a company to come up with a proper blinker fluid level indicator....my issue is they focus on all this luxury tech and none for mechanical safety. We all know what happens. First you run low on blinker fluid, then your lunar waneshaft starts slowly starving for oil and slowly but surely eats up the muffler bearing liner. Everyone knows what happens next, muffler bearing blows out and you get a blown Johnson Rod or worse yet scored crankcase-liner. Yet all these automakers care about is “autonomous tech”. SMDH.

 

[Fozzy]

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[edizzle]

And besides the absolutely outdated tech of the sync system.

the only other thing about the platinum that aggravates me is on some small potholes or road anomalies it feels like the front end is going to straight up fly out from underneath it!! It’s rare. Some people may not notice, but I do. Like it’s not up to the task of these big 22s

I really do love everything about it. It tows our toys like nobodies business. (I wish it could compensate for squat) we have put 140,000 miles between the two loaded with passengers!!! Lots of good good times. I am such a fan of the eco boost. Transmission was mostly great. I don’t know if I will buy first year Escalade. My wife wants one now but I may hang on till 2022 year model.

Yeah.

Except you did.

Remember when you decided that technology used on Toyota minivans for half a decade was now an ‘industry first!’?

Goalpost move.

Again dude, I’m sorry you are so emotional about this. I’m sure you’ll love the escalade. But i wouldn’t be pinning my hopes on a biggerer screen and ‘tech’ that’s been used for years.

I agree with you that the escalade has some things the Navi doesn’t. Just like the Navi has tech the escalade doesn’t.

You win?

you were wrong about EVERYTHING you said!! Including THE single feature that differentiates the vehicle you own from its brother!! LOL.

Using the microphones to send voices from any position to any position has never been done. It is an industry first!!! How can you argue this? This is hilarious!! So by your logic, the first manufacturer to introduce adaptive cruise control didn’t get the title of industry first because vacuum based cruise control has been out for 50 years!!!

I’m glad after 4 or 5 pages you agree that the Escalade is loaded with more tech than the Navi/Expy!!! That is ALL I SAID that started the debate. An elementary student with reading comprehension and the ability to do math by moving items from one column to another could have settled this this morning!!

 

[carymccarr]

And besides the absolutely outdated tech of the sync system.

the only other thing about the platinum that aggravates me is on some small potholes or road anomalies it feels like the front end is going to straight up fly out from underneath it!! It’s rare. Some people may not notice, but I do. Like it’s not up to the task of these big 22s

I really do love everything about it. It tows our toys like nobodies business. (I wish it could compensate for squat) we have put 140,000 miles between the two loaded with passengers!!! Lots of good good times. I am such a fan of the eco boost. Transmission was mostly great. I don’t know if I will buy first year Escalade. My wife wants one now but I may hang on till 2022 year model.

you were wrong about EVERYTHING you said!! Including THE single feature that differentiates the vehicle you own from its brother!! LOL.

Using the microphones to send voices from any position to any position has never been done. It is an industry first!!! How can you argue this? This is hilarious!! So by your logic, the first manufacturer to introduce adaptive cruise control didn’t get the title of industry first because vacuum based cruise control has been out for 50 years!!!

I’m glad after 4 or 5 pages you agree that the Escalade is loaded with more tech than the Navi/Expy!!! That is ALL I SAID that started the debate. An elementary student with reading comprehension and the ability to do math by moving items from one column to another could have settled this this morning!!

So you agree the revel ultima is an industry first and ‘tech heavy’ because it has some tweaks that other stereos don’t.

Well that was easy.

Again, super cruise is cool. Not industry leading or a first but cool. Frankly I’ll take phone as a key, adaptive headlights, a more advanced engine and transmission over old minivan speakerphone technology.

But that’s just me.

You’ve always got ‘big screen!’ though.

 

[JExpedition07]

I wouldn’t call the EcoBoost V6 in the Navigator more advanced than the EcoTech V8 in the Escalade or vice versa. The 6.2 features variable cam timing, direct injection, lightweight aluminum block, dynamic fuel management than can run on 2-8 cylinders, etc etc. Dual overhead cams and turbos have been around for 50 years, Toyota has made DOHC engines for decades. Both are pretty even in tech as it stands if you ask me. Sure 4-valve heads offer more power per liter as seen with the Ford 5.0 vs GM 5.3 but that doesn’t equate to more advanced. Pushrod engines are lighter and more compact, it can be argued they are easier to improve and shoehorn into evolving platforms. My 5.4L Triton engine is a monster in size compared to GM’s 5.3 V8, the 5.0 and EcoBoost take it to an even further level on width.

 

[Lou Hamilton]

So you agree the revel ultima is an industry first and ‘tech heavy’ because it has some tweaks that other stereos don’t.

Well that was easy.

Again, super cruise is cool. Not industry leading or a first but cool. Frankly I’ll take phone as a key, adaptive headlights, a more advanced engine and transmission over old minivan speakerphone technology though.

But that’s just me.

You’ve always got ‘big screen!’ though.

Personally, I think the Burmeister in Mercedes or the B&W in the Volvo are better sounding systems than the Revel.

I get what Revel was trying to do with the customization for the Lincolns interiors, but I just don’t care for the sound. I even like the B&O in my Expy better sounding (to me) than the Revel.

For what it is worth, I have about $20,000+ worth of B&W 800 Series speakers at my home with proper amplification. I also grew up installing show car stereos systems, so I may know a “little” about audio for home and car.


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[carymccarr]

I wouldn’t call the EcoBoost in the Navigator more advanced than the 6.2 V8. The 6.2 features variable cam timing, direct injection, lightweight aluminum block, dynamic fuel management than can run on 2-8 cylinders, etc etc. Dual overhead cams and turbos have been around for 50 years, Toyota has made DOHC engines for decades. Both are pretty even in tech if you ask me. Sure 4-valve heads offer more power per liter as seen with the Ford 5.0 vs GM 5.3 but that doesn’t equate to more advanced. Pushrod engines are lighter and more compact, it can be argued they are easier to improve and shoehorn into evolving platforms.

Maybe. Sure seems the ecoboost is a more advanced and dialed in technology. All I’ve had are problems with the 6.2. VVT causes broken/stuck lifters and such horrendous shuddering that GM has had lawsuits over it. The 2020s dont even have auto stop start. Not sure if the 21’s will...

 

[carymccarr]

Personally, I think the Burmeister in Mercedes or the B&W in the Volvo are better sounding systems than the Revel.

I get what Revel was trying to do with the customization for the Lincolns interiors, but I just don’t care for the sound. I even like the B&O in my Expy better sounding (to me) than the Revel.

For what it is worth, I have about $20,000+ worth of B&W 800 Series speakers at my home with proper amplification. I also grew up installing show car stereos systems, so I may know a “little” about audio for home and car.


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Oh I wasn’t saying they are good. I was just saying they are using some ‘new technology’.

My 2010 GM was as good and my Range Rover system is much better.

 

[Lou Hamilton]

Oh I wasn’t saying they are good. I was just saying they are using some ‘new technology’.

My 2010 GM was as good and my Range Rover system is much better.

It might be new technology as a stock system from the factory, but it is by no means new technology. It still doesn’t offer the level of configuration that a stand alone system would provide. It is still a crippled factory system.

My car back in the 90’s had an multiple equalizers setup and was tuned for each quadrant of the car. We used a microphone positioned in various places and configured it accordingly.


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[edizzle]

So you agree the revel ultima is an industry first and ‘tech heavy’ because it has some tweaks that other stereos don’t.

Well that was easy.

Again, super cruise is cool. Not industry leading or a first but cool. Frankly I’ll take phone as a key, adaptive headlights, a more advanced engine and transmission over old minivan speakerphone technology.

But that’s just me.

You’ve always got ‘big screen!’ though.

i would agree it is an industry first for Lincoln to use Revel, not for the Navigator. As was B&O for Bentley, Audi and Ford as AKG will be for Caddy.

absolutely does not make it tech heavy! the fact it has horn loaded vs, silk dome, vs titanium dome tweeters has no measure on Driver Technology. Which is what I started the discussion about. its alright, youve been grasping at straws the entire time!! LOL.

Ill take phone as key, adaptive headlights, the same exact 10 speed transmission co-developed by GM/Ford, as well AND...........

• 28" OLED display
• Augmented Reality Navigation
• NightVision
• SuperCruise
• AKG Sound System that uses the microphones throughout the cabin to amplify voices throughout the the speaker system so you can here rear passengers as well as front
• 12.6 rear seat TOUCH screens integrated to main system. send navigation from rear to main screen. etc. of course this remains to be seen but i cant imagine their implementation being worse than the Ford/Lincoln.....which is the WORST implementation of any rear seat entertainment I have ever seen.
• rear camera mirror
• Trailering Integration Package
• Air Ride Suspension