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I would think the newer EcoBoost could handle anything within spec you can throw at it.

We know the 3.5L EB will handle north of 13,000# on a "properly equipped" F-150. But the 10-speed transmission seems like the weak-link in these late-model Expys. Not sure how hot your 06R70 gets towing those numbers of your camper ...but I'm only 6200# (GVWR) and my '19 (with HD tow) got all the way to 245F ...and they apparently go into limp mode at 250F.

The 10-speed doesn't seem to be built for the extremes of super hot weather ...unless you wanna drive it at least 10 below the posted speed limit.
 

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How big of a rig is that, Aaoo? Do you know the model and year?

Brad, if I had to guess that thing looks like the equivalent of a 2020 KZ Sportsman 312BHSE

I think he said the year and model is a 2015 KZ29RL. No bunks and has the rear living room. Bunks would have been nice!

Here is the sticker. We just got back. Easy going both ways.

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AAOO ...depending on how often you're going to tow that (being a buddy's coach), I bet some adjustments could be made to the WDH to reduce your squat. I followed my Husky installation instructions to the "T" and it had me install the chunk that has the ball / goes into the receiver ...1" higher than "level trailer tongue height". I did that AND put sway / WD bars that were overrated for my tongue weight. I only got 1/2" of squat from stock and it pulls like a dream.

I think that would help greatly. His hitch is setup for his 250 and is on the lowest setting. The WDH is also a Husky.
 

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We tow a 34' Airstream and the Expedition tows it like a champ! I wouldn't be too concerned with the exact towing and payload numbers, but do make sure you've got your hitch setup dialed in. I highly recommend CanAm RV in London, Ontario, no matter how far you'd have to drive.

It's worth noting that Ford has a world class hitch receiver installation already. Most other manufacturers need to have their receivers reinforced for heavy duty towing.
 

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We pull a freedom express 292bhds with our 18 xlt El with max tow package. Drive train handles well even in the Appalachian, Allegahny And Pocono mountains. Handles really well on calm days. Have stay under 60 on windy days. Listed as 5975 dry with 1600+ cargo room. Actual build weight is 6425. Fully loaded (no water til campsite) 7625. Just over max weight. I have moved things around so tongue weight is right at 930 ( best I could do. Fully loaded with 2 adults, two teens and a toddler and an 80# dog we are 200# under the combined weight and under all the axles load ratings verified at CAT scales. So, the larger units with separate bunk house is feesable. If doing again I would look at the apex 300bhs I miss having the dinette with large windows out the door side to be able to see the kids/ dog. Also it has a slide and door for the bunkhouse. WDH dialed in and loading of the trailer are essential for this setup though.
 

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We pull a freedom express 292bhds with our 18 xlt El with max tow package. Drive train handles well even in the Appalachian, Allegahny And Pocono mountains. Handles really well on calm days. Have stay under 60 on windy days. Listed as 5975 dry with 1600+ cargo room. Actual build weight is 6425. Fully loaded (no water til campsite) 7625. Just over max weight. I have moved things around so tongue weight is right at 930 ( best I could do. Fully loaded with 2 adults, two teens and a toddler and an 80# dog we are 200# under the combined weight and under all the axles load ratings verified at CAT scales. So, the larger units with separate bunk house is feesable. If doing again I would look at the apex 300bhs I miss having the dinette with large windows out the door side to be able to see the kids/ dog. Also it has a slide and door for the bunkhouse. WDH dialed in and loading of the trailer are essential for this setup though.

Howdy DExpy, I assume you meant a '17. Definitely still a 3.5L EB though. The one difference is I think you have the 6-speed, and these 4th-gens have the 10-speed. For me personally anyway, that seems to be of the greater concern. My situation is somewhat unique in that a good portion of my TT towing will be from triple-digit temps climbing lots of hills to get into the higher-elevations of Northern Arizona. I'm not really concerned about trans-temps from say October - May (15th), but that late-May to late September temperature pattern has me concerned about the longevity of the 10R80. Time will tell.

In any event it sounds like you've gotta sweet setup and I'm hoping to upgrade to something a little bigger than what we have now (but will probably never go beyond 7500# GVWR ...unless we move to a cooler climate).
 

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2018 Expy Platinum w/HD tow, 3.73 gears. KZ 301BHSS camper, 6,200 UVW. I have an Equalizer hitch and put on XL tires. Recently I added Sumo springs. There is no lack of power as we just got back from Estes Park Colorado and if you can afford the gas there is no problem climbing the grades. I always tow with no water in the tanks.

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2018 Expy Platinum w/HD tow, 3.73 gears. KZ 301BHSS camper, 6,200 UVW. I have an Equalizer hitch and put on XL tires. Recently I added Sumo springs. There is no lack of power as we just got back from Estes Park Colorado and if you can afford the gas there is no problem climbing the grades. I always tow with no water in the tanks.

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Can u advise what Sumo springs u bought. How well do they really help in your opinion
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I pulled the trigger on the Sumo Springs CSS-1168. $166 from etrailer. I didn’t have much sag before but anything will assist.
I’ll advise on ride quality and overall feel when towing.
 

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I pulled the trigger on the Sumo Springs CSS-1168. $166 from etrailer. I didn’t have much sag before but anything will assist.
I’ll advise on ride quality and overall feel when towing.

My brother in law put some on his 2020 and said they made a noticeable difference in the handling with the trailer. I'll actually see him tomorrow so I'll get more info. Looking forward to your report back. Seems like a nice addition for the price.
 

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There is a big difference between towing, and towing comfortably. Had a 2011 Limited towing a 24' Jayco under 6K lbs. Towing was OK, a little squat but put 1000's of miles together including a 4K mile road trip a few years ago. Upgraded to a 2018 Limited for lower mileage vehicle and Ecoboost expecting more power and a better ride. Was never happy afterwards. Plenty of power but not enough back end to tow well...and no good options for suspension upgrade. Talked to probably 10 different mechanics, suppliers, trailer specialists. Upgraded the trailer this year (pre-covid) to a Lance 2375 which has comparable total weight. Still hoping to find a suspension upgrade. As it turns out the Lance has a heavier tongue. Towed it a few 100 miles home from the dealer and knew it wouldn't work. Found a 2008 F250 low mileage Diesel. After just 3 trips I can tell you the difference in the payload and performance on the road is worthwhile. The power of the diesel is awesome too, but not as critical as the payload. If I were buying a trailer to pull with my Expy, I'd insist on hooking it up and taking it for a ride. The dealers (both the car and trailer) will all tell you you have more car than you need....I'd really rather have more than I need. P.S. I still have the Expy. I love it too, just not for towing.
 

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I just picked up a 33' Grand Design trailer that we had to order because of low inventory. I wish we had towed it before we purchased it. It's a giant sail whenever a big truck passes by. You initially get pulled towards the truck and then pushed as it passes, so it's a bit unnerving. Keeping it under 60mph helps. I'm still dialing in the Blue Ox SwayPro hitch, but I think it's about right. I have very little squat. The tongue weight is around 650lbs and the trailer is close to 7,000lbs the way we have it loaded, so it's well within the towing and payload limits. There's just a lot of surface area that pushes and pulls on the back of the Expy. I might end up looking at an F-250, but I really don't want to give up the third row and the ability to park in the garage. Before this TT we rented a 29' that was closer to 6,000lbs and it towed a bit better. I think the length is the biggest issue.
 

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Yep that’s a long trailer for the Expy. However I absolutely love the Blue Ox WDH. I say as long as keep her nice and conservative on your speeds you will be fine.
I’ve pulled my trailer with a 10’ V8 Explorer tow pkg. Seemed ok, to pulling it for a long trip in a new rented F250 (was child’s play) to my current vehicle my new Expedition. It pulls jus fine
 

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I just picked up a 33' Grand Design trailer that we had to order because of low inventory. I wish we had towed it before we purchased it. It's a giant sail whenever a big truck passes by. You initially get pulled towards the truck and then pushed as it passes, so it's a bit unnerving. Keeping it under 60mph helps. I'm still dialing in the Blue Ox SwayPro hitch, but I think it's about right. I have very little squat. The tongue weight is around 650lbs and the trailer is close to 7,000lbs the way we have it loaded, so it's well within the towing and payload limits. There's just a lot of surface area that pushes and pulls on the back of the Expy. I might end up looking at an F-250, but I really don't want to give up the third row and the ability to park in the garage. Before this TT we rented a 29' that was closer to 6,000lbs and it towed a bit better. I think the length is the biggest issue.


Tongue weight sounds a hair light for 7K lbs....
 

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I just picked up a 33' Grand Design trailer that we had to order because of low inventory. I wish we had towed it before we purchased it. It's a giant sail whenever a big truck passes by. You initially get pulled towards the truck and then pushed as it passes, so it's a bit unnerving. Keeping it under 60mph helps. I'm still dialing in the Blue Ox SwayPro hitch, but I think it's about right. I have very little squat. The tongue weight is around 650lbs and the trailer is close to 7,000lbs the way we have it loaded, so it's well within the towing and payload limits. There's just a lot of surface area that pushes and pulls on the back of the Expy. I might end up looking at an F-250, but I really don't want to give up the third row and the ability to park in the garage. Before this TT we rented a 29' that was closer to 6,000lbs and it towed a bit better. I think the length is the biggest issue.
Your tongue weight is less than 10% of the trailer weight*. It's going to sway, and probably dangerously. TW for a travel trailer should be 12-15% of trailer weight.

*650lbs is the weight you measured, right. Not the spec weight which doesn't include batteries and propane...
 

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Tongue weight sounds a hair light for 7K lbs....
Your tongue weight is less than 10% of the trailer weight*. It's going to sway, and probably dangerously. TW for a travel trailer should be 12-15% of trailer weight.

*650lbs is the weight you measured, right. Not the spec weight which doesn't include batteries and propane...
You guys are good! It's funny that I know the rules and somehow didn't even think about them with the stress of getting this trailer all set up. :banghead:

My math was a bit fuzzy and I forgot about the propane and battery. The dealer weighed the tongue at 600lbs (the manufacturer specs say 658lbs). The propane and battery put ~100lbs near the front (I'm assuming the dealer weighed it before those were installed). I added ~75lbs to the front passthrough storage. I also have about 75lbs stored in the rear storage behind the axles, so that'll offset some. The dry weight is 6,300lb. If I had to guess, I'm sitting around 6,700lbs. With those rough numbers I should be a touch over 10% on the tongue. I'll try shifting some weight forward see how it responds. I really should take it to a scale to verify the distribution once we finish loading it up.

I also tightened the weight distribution chains to reduce the squat in the rear, which lifted the tongue a bit, so I'm going to drop the ball height to compensate. I don't know if that'll make a significant difference, but I'd rather it be level. Thanks for your quick and helpful replies!
 
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There is a big difference between towing, and towing comfortably. Had a 2011 Limited towing a 24' Jayco under 6K lbs. Towing was OK, a little squat but put 1000's of miles together including a 4K mile road trip a few years ago. Upgraded to a 2018 Limited for lower mileage vehicle and Ecoboost expecting more power and a better ride. Was never happy afterwards. Plenty of power but not enough back end to tow well...and no good options for suspension upgrade. Talked to probably 10 different mechanics, suppliers, trailer specialists. Upgraded the trailer this year (pre-covid) to a Lance 2375 which has comparable total weight. Still hoping to find a suspension upgrade. As it turns out the Lance has a heavier tongue. Towed it a few 100 miles home from the dealer and knew it wouldn't work. Found a 2008 F250 low mileage Diesel. After just 3 trips I can tell you the difference in the payload and performance on the road is worthwhile. The power of the diesel is awesome too, but not as critical as the payload. If I were buying a trailer to pull with my Expy, I'd insist on hooking it up and taking it for a ride. The dealers (both the car and trailer) will all tell you you have more car than you need....I'd really rather have more than I need. P.S. I still have the Expy. I love it too, just not for towing.

I think this all goes without saying. A truck...especially a 3/4-ton diesel (with solid front & rear axles) is going to tow anything way better than a half-ton, fullsize SUV with 4-wheel independent suspension. All that being said, if I compare...

1) My old '07 Duramax 3/4-ton | no WDH | 6200# 26' camper | ~650# tongue-weight
2) My new '19 Limited with HD towing | with Husky WDH (800-1000# bars) | 6200# 26' camper | ~650# tongue-weight

...the Expy tows it better. I credit a meticulously setup WDH for much of that. I think my Duramax would have been the superior tow rig if I'd had used a WDH with that setup too. Nevertheless, I've been very comfortable behind the wheel of my Expy towing our camper. It's only been once ...but we braved some of the toughest conditions (I-17 in AZ), in some of the most annoying winds I've ever had ...just kept swirling into always being a 10-2 o'clock 30-40mph wind ...and ambient temps were some of the hottest we've had so far this summer. While I had (and still have) some concerns about the trans fluid temps that I saw (it never got out of spec...but close), I would tow anything under 7500# with a great big smile on my face. I was quite comfortable and can't think of a time that I felt as confident behind the wheel towing something significant (with what is essentially a "big car").

Keep in mind, I've been towing things since before I even got my full driver's license (mostly campers and boats ...but some enclosed trailers and horse trailers too), and I am sincerely impressed with the control, comfort, and ease with which I was able to tow my camper. Again, I give a lot of credit to the hours I spent getting the WDH just perfect, but I have zero complaints. My only real regret in selling my Duramax is the lost cargo space; however, the family (6 of us) is much happier not being shoulder-to-shoulder ...and the dogs are happy they get to come now too.

(BTW - the Lance 2445 is on my list. It'll be our next coach, barring financial disaster.)
 
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