Flushed Radiator on '14, Now Head Gasket Seems To Be Leaking

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Supposing I wanted a printed manual... Are the Haynes or Chilton manuals any good? My memory is that they are... slightly better than the owner's manual. Something like a Clymers would be great.


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You can download a copy of the factory service manual from Cardiagn.com . But you have to extract it to a storage folder and find the index file to locate the section you're looking for. Kind of a PITA but it's free.
If you need a password during extraction it's cardiagn.com . The index file is "sejalphaindex.htm" in the Service section. Just open that and pick the section you want to read about.


2014 Service Manual from Cardiagn.com download


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You can download a copy of the factory service manual from Cardiagn.com . But you have to extract it to a storage folder and find the index file to locate the section you're looking for. Kind of a PITA but it's free.
If you need a password during extraction it's cardiagn.com . The index file is "sejalphaindex.htm" in the Service section. Just open that and pick the section you want to read about.


2014 Service Manual from Cardiagn.com download


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Thanks for that Hamfisted. I may well do this myself. A plastic intake manifold is a very different beast than a cylinder head - even an aluminum one. My back still hurts from pulling my 289 heads back in 1987.

So, it doesn't look like I'll have to remove the valve covers, However, as long as I'm pulling out all that stuff to get to the intake I figure I'll replace the sparkplugs, too. They look a LOT easier to get to than the ones in my long-gone Gen 2. Any preferred brand of sparkplug? Motorcraft? NGK Laser Platinum? NGK Iridium? The most expensive is usually a rip off. The least expensive is what you pay for. Looking for a good, solid, middle of the road plug.

A local, reputable repair place wants $1,000 to do the job. I figure I can get started early and be done by lunch. Highly-experienced, well-equipped mech but I'm not familiar with this engine.
 
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I don't think you can go wrong with Motorcraft plugs. I find that my cordless 1/4" ratchet comes in real handy for this job. Some people pull the fuel injector rail off, some people work around it and just disconnect it from the feed line at the rear of the manifold.
 
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I don't think you can go wrong with Motorcraft plugs. I find that my cordless 1/4" ratchet comes in real handy for this job. Some people pull the fuel injector rail off, some people work around it and just disconnect it from the feed line at the rear of the manifold.
I've been a Fel-Pro fan for a long time so I'll be going with those. I don't recall needing any gasket sealing compounds on intake gaskets with the raised rubber sealing rings so I won't need that. I am going to try to pick up materials on the way home and get this going this afternoon. Thinking: Intake manifold gasket kit (comes with crossover gaskets), sparkplugs.
I just flushed the radiator so will be draining, capturing, and refilling with same 50/50 EthGly/distilled water mix.

If the manifold/coolant face is worn or broken (as I've seen is about a 50/50 chance on earlier motors) I can either try the JBWeld repair or put in a new intake manifold which is $500 from Ford and on a 6-8 week backorder. COVID, no doubt, like everything else. So, I'd be doing the JBWeld thing if it is worn or broken. I hear it works pretty well. Just draws out the repair. I've done those kinds of fixes before and like to put in a reinforcing metal rod but I'm not sure I'd do that in this case as it would destroy water pump it if came loose. Maybe just drill in and insert some pins?

Anything else I might need?
 

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Supposing I wanted a printed manual... Are the Haynes or Chilton manuals any good? My memory is that they are... slightly better than the owner's manual. Something like a Clymers would be great.

Apples to oranges. The Haynes/Chilton manuals offer very general overviews whereas the Ford service manual provides detailed instructions for just about everything. I don't know if they still offer printed service manuals, but you may find them on eBay. I have both the digital and printed versions for my '11. I think I paid about $10 for the former and $90 for the latter.
 
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Apples to oranges. The Haynes/Chilton manuals offer very general overviews whereas the Ford service manual provides detailed instructions for just about everything. I don't know if they still offer printed service manuals, but you may find them on eBay. I have both the digital and printed versions for my '11. I think I paid about $10 for the former and $90 for the latter.
Honestly, all I need are torque order for the intake and torque specs for the various bolts. I really do love using my torque wrenches. It's like a reward for remembering where things go. I can't see where I'd need instruction anywhere else. Pretty simple take-apart-put-back-together-with-new-parts scenario. If anyone would care to share that for a '14 it would be one less thing for me to scrap together. Thanks!
 

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This is pretty handy for your #8 but it can be done without: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06WP3VWYF

I am also partial to Mototcraft plugs. The gap is usually spot on but verify before installing. Call me paranoid but I would also **** out the plug ports before removal. Also, thx for the heads-up with cardiagn.com!
 
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  • Stage 1: Tighten to 2 Nm (18 lb-in).
  • Stage 2: Tighten to 10 Nm (89 lb-in).
No wonder these things leak! Still, any chance to use my Park 2-14 Nm torque wrench. It's my favorite tool. I usually use it on motorcycles.

I plan on downloading the Cardaign manual when I get home but just in case that doesn't work: any idea what the crossover torques to?
 

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No wonder these things leak! Still, any chance to use my Park 2-14 Nm torque wrench. It's my favorite tool. I usually use it on motorcycles.

I plan on downloading the Cardaign manual when I get home but just in case that doesn't work: any idea what the crossover torques to?

Wouldn't hurt to do them in two stages as well. But the only torque number I see is 89 inch lbs ( 10Nm ) on those bolts.





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Honestly, all I need are torque order for the intake and torque specs for the various bolts. I really do love using my torque wrenches. It's like a reward for remembering where things go. I can't see where I'd need instruction anywhere else. Pretty simple take-apart-put-back-together-with-new-parts scenario. If anyone would care to share that for a '14 it would be one less thing for me to scrap together. Thanks!

I have needed my service manual on many occasions - from torque values to recalibration procedures to wiring diagrams, but to each his own. Good luck.
 

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I plan on downloading the Cardaign manual when I get home but just in case that doesn't work: any idea what the crossover torques to?

Wait, you're going to download the service manual you just said you didn't need?
 
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Wouldn't hurt to do them in two stages as well. But the only torque number I see is 89 inch lbs ( 10Nm ) on those bolts.





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Thanks for all the info. I've got all the parts and will start stripping it down this evening. Fingers crossed it isn't the intake. It's not all of them but apparently it does happen a good bit. If it is, only recourse is to leave the truck sitting and ride my GS until the new intake arrives. Good excuse to put a trailer hitch on my wife's Escape. At least I'd be able to tow my dirtbike!
 
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This is quite the turnaround from the earlier post where you first only wanted it in print and then didn't need it at all. :p
Turns out I didn’t need the manual at all. One of the easiest cars I’ve ever worked on. And I’ve worked on everything from a VW Thing to a Grand Wagoneer and lots in between. Lots of stuff to pull off to get to the gasket but plenty of space and really pretty simple. Nice to have it in my back pocket but not really needed for this job thanks to a great forum and especially Hamfistes’s torque specs. I’m sure I’ll need it at some point, but not today. Got a few pics I’ll throw up on the site later.
 

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Your intake manifold ended up being in good shape as well ? That's a win. Did you find much carbon buildup on your intake runners where they meet the heads? I found Marvel Mystery oil on a rag good at wiping that out.
 
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Undertook the job on Friday morning. I get Friday off every two weeks in exchange for 9 hour days. It's a good deal! Disassembly was fairly straightforward except for the electrical connectors. One never knows how those are going to come off and I didn't want to break them. The most stubborn was on the left side base of the throttlebody. How it came off was not obvious so I just left it connected until the manifold was completely free, then turned it towards me where I could get a look at it. Still not straightforward as the little red slide didn't release the connector and it still had to be pried apart. I kind of hate doing that because I don't want to break something, but it came apart okay. I had not been able to get to the brake booster and planned to do it as I pulled the manifold out but it seemed to slid off okay. It was amazing how close the crossover pipe was to coming out without pulling the manifold but this was no horseshoes or hand grenades so I had to keep going. When I got everything removed, this is what it looked like (after I plugged all the holes!)

01 - freshly opened.JPG
This explained why I could smell coolant, and it was dropping in my overflow, but I wasn't seeing much on the floor! At least this wasn't full of camshaft, pushrod, and lifters! Man would that have turned into a fun job. With paper towels and a carefully used garden hose and nozzle it cleaned up quite nicely in a half-hour. There was some discoloration around the intake ports but not bad and it cleaned up nicely with a brass brush.

04 - ready to install.JPG
This is what it looked like just before I put it back together. I just used the shop vac to **** out the plastic bags and any grit or brass fibers that had fallen in. I then wiped all the mating surfaces down with mineral spirits.

Here are the new(FelPro) and the old gaskets. The new ones felt a little beefier but the old ones have been thermal cycling in the block for a few years so the comparison isn't really fair. But looking them over did reveal a smoking gun, which I always like, since I'm not left guessing if I found or fixed the problem.
02 - all gaskets.jpg

And this is the circled areas above. The surfaced of the gasket that had been in contact with the water was eroded and there was a crack, circled in red above but obvious here, all the way through the plastic gasket. The only thing holding it in place was the rubber o-ring. No wonder it was leaking!
03 - failed gasket.jpg

Assembly was the reverse of assembly and I did take advantage of having the manifold off to replace all the spark plugs. I can be sure that none of my cylinders are burning oil, they all have similar compression and weren't ingesting any water.

05 - spark plugs.jpg

So far it seems to be running fine. No tell-tale drips but I am still getting a faint ethylene glycol smell. I rinsed out the engine above and below but I think there is still some residual that had been baked on that will take a while to completely out-gas.

I want to thank all the responders for their advice and information. I hadn't had a car engine apart in a while and all the help here made it easier to go in. I saved about $1K and know for sure that all the bolts are back where they should be and are properly torqued and all none of the electrical or vacuum connectors were pried apart or damaged in the making of this film.

Over all I'm impressed with the design of the engine. A far, far cry from the old V8's I beat on as a kid. The design process is clearly far advanced, the build quality is better, and the engine control systems have moved beyond dashpots, springs, and bi-metallic strips. It feels like a well-integrated unit that requires a lot less fiddling. Well done Ford!

When I was all done I treated myself to something that I didn't need but that I did want.
 
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