Can we talk HD Tow one more time?

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It also looks like an error on the axle code. I believe 3L is the code for the ELSD, but the ELSD shouldn’t be available on a 2022 2wd.
Was also looking that up as well and seems like they have used 3L for multiple different mostly were 3.73 and a couple that were 4.10, sometimes slip and in sometimes non-limited slip. Think Ford messed up big time on that one.
 

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My '21 FX4 with max tow has more payload than some F150's. Have 10 ply BFG's to help with the 25RDS Cougar we tow. About 7800 lbs loaded but with a little over 1000 lbs on the hitch. 4 point Equalizer WDH to spread some weight to the front axle. Tows pretty good at 60 to 62 mph for safety.
 

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Family picked up a 2021 Expedition Max Platinum with the HD Towing Package, 8 Seat Occupancy, Panoramic Sunroof, 4WD, ELSD and 22 inch wheels.


Front GAWR: 3550 LB
Rear GAWR: 4380 LB
GVWR: 7720 LB
Payload: 1599 LB
 

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2018 max limited 302A, 4x4, hd tow ELSD, CCD, pano roof, 8 passenger, rear entertainment dvd, 22” wheels, engine block heater, 1564 payload
 

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It’s interesting 3L is a 3.73 electronic limited slip for the Expedition, and then for my 2023 F-150 L3 denotes the 3.31 electronic locking axle. Ford sure is confusing with their axle codes

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It’s interesting 3L is a 3.73 electronic limited slip for the Expedition, and then for my 2023 F-150 L3 denotes the 3.31 electronic locking axle. Ford sure is confusing with their axle codes

Unfortunately, the codes are vehicle specific. You know what would be great...if Ford just printed the axle ratio and diff type on the label or vehicle body someplace. A barcode that links to the Monroney would be helpful as well. The dealerships are clueless about HD Towing. There's no way to specify it in a search, so you have to know what to look for in photographs. Interestingly enough, I see more Navigators equipped with HD Tow than Expeditions. Ford made it a standalone option after 2017, so many vehicles were optioned without it. Unfortunately, many of the Navigators with HD Tow don't have a bench in the 2nd row.
 

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Hi,
So I have read the thread to understand how payload changes with the specs of the car, but for the life of me, I cant determine why 2 cars that I am looking at have such different payload capacities. Both are 2024 XLT, with HD Trailer Tow Package, Captains Chairs, 4WD, and Pano sunroof.

Car 1 - 1405 lbs - Link to Listing
Car 2 - 1537 lbs - Link to Listing

Can anyone tell me why based on the the listings?
 

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Hi,
So I have read the thread to understand how payload changes with the specs of the car, but for the life of me, I cant determine why 2 cars that I am looking at have such different payload capacities. Both are 2024 XLT, with HD Trailer Tow Package, Captains Chairs, 4WD, and Pano sunroof.

Car 1 - 1405 lbs - Link to Listing
Car 2 - 1537 lbs - Link to Listing

Can anyone tell me why based on the the listings?

Factory worker put a wrong sticker on Car 1. A typical Ford's quality control. My 2024 XLT Max Black Accent with HD tow, eLSD and 202A, and without sunroof, has the exact same payload rating 1537lbs as Car 2, which is a regular wheelbase expedition. It doesn't make any sense to me.
 
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Hi,
So I have read the thread to understand how payload changes with the specs of the car, but for the life of me, I cant determine why 2 cars that I am looking at have such different payload capacities. Both are 2024 XLT, with HD Trailer Tow Package, Captains Chairs, 4WD, and Pano sunroof.

Car 1 - 1405 lbs - Link to Listing
Car 2 - 1537 lbs - Link to Listing

Can anyone tell me why based on the the listings?

This is far more likely to be website listing input error at the dealership. If you look at the GVWR for each, one lists 7450 lbs, the other 7496 lbs. According to the window stickers they are identical, except for a front license place bracket. Which definitely doesn't weigh 46 lbs.

I'm not even sure where you're seeing the payload figure on the Kentwood truck listing.
 

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You should ask them each for a picture of the "Tire and loading information" sticker then you will know for sure. This assumes you have those in Canada.
 

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However, if someone can help me with the below, it would be greatly appreciated. The reason I am asking this is, I am looking for an Expedition with at least 1500 payload capacity.

2023 Limited - 1649 lbs - window sticker

2024 XLT - 1405 lbs - window sticker

I would of thought the Limited being a higher trim and have more gadgets would reduce the payload capacity but clearly that is not the case. If anyone can tell me the reason behind the near 150lbs different, it would be greatly appreciated.

The dealer sais
"As for the difference in payload between the XLT you reached out on and the Limited’s I’ve sent your way, the Expedition Limited has a continuously Controlled Damper with Sport tuned suspension. This electronically controlled suspension gives us the improved payload capacity. "
Is this the CCD W/SUSP ROAD PREVIEW 1,245.00 I see in the window sticker of the Limited model?
 
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However, if someone can help me with the below, it would be greatly appreciated. The reason I am asking this is, I am looking for an Expedition with at least 1500 payload capacity.

2023 Limited - 1649 lbs - window sticker

2024 XLT - 1405 lbs - window sticker

I would of thought the Limited being a higher trim and have more gadgets would reduce the payload capacity but clearly that is not the case. If anyone can tell me the reason behind the near 150lbs different, it would be greatly appreciated.

The dealer sais
"As for the difference in payload between the XLT you reached out on and the Limited’s I’ve sent your way, the Expedition Limited has a continuously Controlled Damper with Sport tuned suspension. This electronically controlled suspension gives us the improved payload capacity. "
Is this the CCD W/SUSP ROAD PREVIEW 1,245.00 I see in the window sticker of the Limited model?

Where are you seeing these payload numbers
 
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