KFordEx8
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Has anyone installed the whole Whipple Stage 1 Kit? Considering this one since it is CARB exempt.
Whipple Stage 1 System
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I don't know of any one that has. Their tuning can be hit and miss on the EcoBoost, but probably one of the few that has full CARB compliance. If you are in CA, this might be the best way to go. If you weren't there are better options for the money.
KFordEx8
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Yes, really no choices for CA. Whipple is the only inclusive package that I have seen. Figured it would likely be the best CA option.
The Livernois tuner shows as 50-state legal with a CARB EO#. Was also thinking an about going Whipple intercooler and intake with this.
Finally, thinking about just doing the intercooler and intake only. From my research, just swapping out the intercooler is beneficial.
The Livernois tuner shows as 50-state legal with a CARB EO#. Was also thinking an about going Whipple intercooler and intake with this.
Finally, thinking about just doing the intercooler and intake only. From my research, just swapping out the intercooler is beneficial.
It is VERY beneficial. Look at the CVF branded intercooler as another option. Also, AFE makes intake options that should be CARB compliant. Shifting on the LMS tunes for our 2020 was TERRIBLE. Maybe they have made improvements.
How beneficial, is it?
I haven't looked much into EB performance mods as I am much more familiar with Supercharged applications. Reading this thread the first thing I thought was " how does Whipple offer a supercharger for this thing?"
In general the IC’s on most EcoBoost platforms leave a lot to be desired. Basically these are F150’s. There is A LOT of info with solid numbers out there if you want to see them. I only know of a few Expeditions that have done the swap. Some do it because they tow, some because they live in hot areas, some do it for the added performance when running the 1/4. No matter your reason, upgrading the IC on these motors is probably the single most beneficial physical mod you can do to them. Cooler air is always a good thing for a forced induction motor…same concept for a SC motor.
Yes cooler air is best for forced induction motors I get that.
A larger IC on all my previous SC and current SC vehicles just keep me from heatsoaking too quickly, yet inevitably it happens. Not once has going to a bigger IC or similar mods added power to these vehicles, just aided in holding back the loss of power.
Quick read of this Whipple Stage 1 kit claims significant additional power. There must be a tune factored into these claims...?
A larger IC on all my previous SC and current SC vehicles just keep me from heatsoaking too quickly, yet inevitably it happens. Not once has going to a bigger IC or similar mods added power to these vehicles, just aided in holding back the loss of power.
Quick read of this Whipple Stage 1 kit claims significant additional power. There must be a tune factored into these claims...?
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I went with the Mishimoto intercooler and have loved it so far. It absolutely made a difference and actually helped improve the sound of the CAI. But I will say, the one thing I should have done when I replaced the IC would be to have replaced the BOV at the same time, since you have to remove it anyways.
Did you look at the site? It would have answered that question. Comes with intake, IC, and Tuner.
Yes, the upgraded IC, allows you to sustain power longer if the tune does not factor it in. In the case of the tuner I use and recommend(ZFG), if you have an upgraded IC, he dials in a little more power, but like you said, it is about sustaining power. The issue with the factory IC, in a single 1/4 run the IC will heat soak, and the motor will start pulling timing. Running higher levels of Ethanol helps to counteract that but by far the best way, get one of the several options for a better IC. Again, I believe it is one of the single best physical mods you can do for this motor.
Good info, and yes another good option for an upgraded IC.
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There is a lot to be upgraded on these for cooling purposes; the turbos run hot. I faced a lot of heat issues when I was in the mountains and started looking into all these options.
KFordEx8
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I decided to just go with the IC and the CAI.
Got the CAI installed and drove it around for a couple of days. Opened up the throttle on an onramp today and got the P04DB code. Did some research and learned that a vent tube has to be installed. The kit did come with this part but I did not installed it because I did not know where to install it. The instructions on Whipple's product page had no mention of what to do with this piece. Turns out that the instructions on the website is out of date. Turns out that the instructions that came with the CAI was more current. This is the first time that I have encountered documentation on a website being older than the one included with a product.
This tube narrows the passage of the crankcase ventilation so flow is decreased. From what I now understand, the increased air flow makes the system think that there is a leak in the crankcase so the code is triggered.
Got the CAI installed and drove it around for a couple of days. Opened up the throttle on an onramp today and got the P04DB code. Did some research and learned that a vent tube has to be installed. The kit did come with this part but I did not installed it because I did not know where to install it. The instructions on Whipple's product page had no mention of what to do with this piece. Turns out that the instructions on the website is out of date. Turns out that the instructions that came with the CAI was more current. This is the first time that I have encountered documentation on a website being older than the one included with a product.
This tube narrows the passage of the crankcase ventilation so flow is decreased. From what I now understand, the increased air flow makes the system think that there is a leak in the crankcase so the code is triggered.
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Can someone share exactly which Mishimoto intercooler was referred to in this thread? Also, did you replace all the piping with the IC?
KFordEx8, which IC & CAI did you go with? Links please
KFordEx8, which IC & CAI did you go with? Links please
KFordEx8
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I just went with Whipple IC & CAI as originally planned. Was considering their entire kit that included a tune but decided not to mess with it for now.Can someone share exactly which Mishimoto intercooler was referred to in this thread? Also, did you replace all the piping with the IC?
KFordEx8, which IC & CAI did you go with? Links please
If you are not in a state that has chosen to adopt CARB emissions rules, there are a lot more options.
5280tunage
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This is the one I did, fit perfect, you have to cut the rubber gasket on the shroud but you have to do that for just about any new IC. https://5startuning.com/product/201...intercooler-kit-sleek-silver-mmint-f150-15sl/
I didn't replace the piping, i want to but what people are asking for the piping is absurd for minimal real change. Its one thing in exhaust systems where you have really terrible bends and you get something with soft mandrel bends, but I don't see that the factory pipes will create a whole lot of resistance in the air flow.
I didn't replace the piping, i want to but what people are asking for the piping is absurd for minimal real change. Its one thing in exhaust systems where you have really terrible bends and you get something with soft mandrel bends, but I don't see that the factory pipes will create a whole lot of resistance in the air flow.
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Swapped out the IC today. Three sides of the shroud needed trimming. Also, removed three of the four fins to the IC shutters. Left the one that is attached to the motor.
What's the CAI look like? How does it feel? Any Difference?
KFordEx8
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I will snap a pic soon. Throttle is a little more responsive and I can hear it. I haven’t really gotten on the throttle hard yet.
It threw the same code (P04DC) today under some boost at about half throttle going uphill. This is with the air intake vent tube installed that was not on before.
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Looks Good!
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