How complete of a coolant flush is needed?

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So I've got a few drives around town with subsequent hose flush cycles. The car is running well and heater lines are getting nice and hot, but lots of rust flakes and debris coming out of the block drain each time I flush. I've decided that I am going to hook up an inline coolant filter (Wix canister style) before the heater core hoses and just worry about keeping the debris out of my heater cores.

Can anyone tell me (or point me to a diagram) that shows what direction coolant flows through the hoses? My assumption is that the coolant flows up through the block and out the top to the upper radiator hose and the heater core hose at the front side of the engine. The two hoses in my photo with the arrows are the outlet hoses right? My plan is to put the coolant filter on the heater core outlet hose (top left).
 

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I have this picture(which might even have come from this forum) in my NeedToKnow folder. It's for either a Gen1 Exp or Gen11 F150.
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I have this picture(which might even have come from this forum) in my NeedToKnow folder. It's for either a Gen1 Exp or Gen11 F150.
Wow, thanks jr1under! I had a completely incorrect understanding about the general flow through the rest of the engine. I think my plan to install the coolant filter on the 1 (inlet to heater core) line will work still though.
 

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I think my plan to install the coolant filter on the 1 (inlet to heater core) line will work still though.
I'd like to see the filter install if you have pictures to show.
 
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I'd like to see the filter install if you have pictures to show.
Just got it done this afternoon! Here are the photos. I need to shorten the outlet line a few inches, but I wasn't sure where the filter manifold would end up. I was actually able to find a hole to bolt it to right where it is, so its nice and solid. I hooked up the front heater core as well and I can say that having heat again is glorious!

However, I have noticed that I don't seem to be getting much (if any) flow to the rear heater lines now. I suspect that the filter is reducing the line pressure too much for the rear.

I am using the OEM hose with the flow restrictor. I'm thinking maybe I should cut out the flow restrictor since I have a filter acting as a flow restrictor now. Thoughts on that idea?
 

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I am using the OEM hose with the flow restrictor. I'm thinking maybe I should cut out the flow restrictor since I have a filter acting as a flow restrictor now. Thoughts on that idea?
I understand now how you installed the filter in the hose between the water pump and where it T's off to the heater cores. I also understand Bernoulli's principle but, even though it's the internet, I won't pretend to know what you should do here.
 

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Is this an oil or water filter? I mean I know what its doing, but is it manufactured to filter water or oil?
 
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Is this an oil or water filter? I mean I know what its doing, but is it manufactured to filter water or oil?
It is specifically for coolant, it’s this wix filter: https://www.oreillyauto.com/detail/...er/b2f9e5157c1e/wix-coolant-filter/wix0/24070

I read about it on a Jeep forum. It seems like a common modification they do.

I pulled the filter off today to check it. Already full of crap! I think I’m going need to replace it frequently while the rust flakes are still coming off. I did remove the flow restrictor on the inlet hose and that definitely made more water flow to the rear hose. I’m going to run it for a few weeks doing regular flushes then replace the filter before I put coolant in.
 

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Its a thing:


My only comment is to make sure the system is purged of air when changing the filter.
 
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Its a thing:


My only comment is to make sure the system is purged of air when changing the filter.
Any advice as to how to best purge? I’ve just been running the engine with the cap off until it stops burping air bubbles out.
 

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I did just the rear heater core flush on mine last Sunday using a 3-gallon bucket. Took 18 gallons and only the last bucket was free of rust. I ended up pinching the garden hose and releasing the pulse of water after my 3rd bucket was clear. Took additional 2 buckets to clear. And that's every year...
 

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And that's every year...
Earlier in this thread you said you'd learned your system was always going to be full of rust no matter what you did. Is that because of salt infiltration every winter or is the rust something that goes on forever once it starts?
 

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Earlier in this thread you said you'd learned your system was always going to be full of rust no matter what you did. Is that because of salt infiltration every winter or is the rust something that goes on forever once it starts?
It seems to me it just goes on once it starts. Just inherent to the 1st gen expeditions.
 
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After a few days of driving, the coolant filter seems to be keeping the fluid in the gas bottle a bit cleaner. Once my replacement filters arrive I'll do a full flush and see what comes out. The weather just got real cold here and having heat has been very nice!

I am going to switch Zerex GX-05 coolant when I finally add it in. The green stuff that was in there didn't seem to be doing a very good job.
 

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I have a 2001 that is a Florida vehicle. The radiator support rusted out which is very unusual as there is little to no rust anywhere else. I suspect there may be some sort of electrolysis going on with respect to the aluminum radiator core and everything else that is iron or steel. Once I get all that sorted out I am going to measure for stray current. It is tricky to solve that problem as simply shorting it out might make things worse somewhere else.
 
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Just a quick update. New filters arrived so I got around to doing one more flush of the distilled water and then replaced the coolant filter. I hooked up the rear heater core and I went ahead and put the GX-05 coolant in so I can finally stop worrying about parking outside in the cold.

Everything is working, but not getting any heat out of the rear core, so I am slightly concerned that the filter is reducing the line pressure too much for effective rear circulation. It may just need a few cycles to purge the air out of the system so I haven't given up hope yet. Front heater core is working great and now I am on to the next gremlins with this car (heated front seat not working).
 

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Just a quick update. New filters arrived so I got around to doing one more flush of the distilled water and then replaced the coolant filter.
Any change in the amount of rust that came out from the flush?
 
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Any change in the amount of rust that came out from the flush?
It seemed like very few flakes/chunks came out, but the water was definitely cloudy. I’m going to run the car for the next year and then do another full coolant flush next fall and then maybe keep on a two year cycle after that.
 

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So I had replaced the heater core on my '99, after having done a coolant flush (a long one, using running water hose input to the radiator, and using the radiator drain plug, and running it until "clear", and then some. Probably ran the hose for a good hour. And yes, still some rust flakes in the otherwise "clear" water.

And, yes, after 1.5 years, the new core failed, sprung a leak. (That might have happened anyway, or might have been related to rust). I replaced the core again, a second time (went faster the second time but still a lot of work, and I also replaced the rear core that time even though it had not failed.) The front core failed a second time (with a different brand), and I used two supposedly reliable after market brands. The third cores are still going now. Radiator has been replaced once as well. Between the 2nd and 3rd front cores.

The back-flush is a good idea, though it is a hassle on the front core, because the quick disconnects are neither quick or easy, with 90 angle needle nose, or a make-shift special tool, or a real special tool. It is a hassle to get them to let go, and its a hassle to get them reliably put back on. (I had one hose blow off on a very hot day, in a very bad place, and nearly lost the engine - but didn't thanks probably only to running Mobil1 Synthetic oil which didn't burn. Engine dropped into crippled 4 + 4 alternating run mode (in order to do "air cooling"). Had to fix the dumb truck in a OReilly Parking lot 1/3 of the way on a 300 mi journy, after getting H20 at one place, and driving down the hill to get more coolant, and then doing the Grapevine I5 in CA a second time.).

Heater core flushes that is what most people do. Disconnect them once in a while. (I only do it about every 3 years, and then backflush (reverse direction) with a hose. Some people cut both the intake and heater core outtake lines, so that they can put in a "bypass" U and/or just straight through connectors that can be disconnected with easier access (compared to the quick disconnects on the heater core flanges themselves) to do these "yearly, or every2-3 years flushes.) Other people don't cut the lines, and mess with the disconnects.

If you ARE replacing the heater core, I recommend cutting the flanges off the old core, so that you can fashion your own "bypass" U that can hook onto the original quick disconnect ends of the heater core input output hose lines. And then just store that in the truck for heater core failure emergency. If the core is leaking or "steaming" inside it will fog up the inside with very hard to clean coolant "steam". So having a bypass U that you can install sooner on a trip will at least let you complete your trip (cold).
 
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