2025 Navi seriously starting at $102K?

[5280tunage]

I'm a little blown away by this. The new 2025 Navi will start at $102K? The 2025 Escalade Luxury starts at $88K, and 2024 Range Rover is $107K. I gotta be honest, while it may be a lot more plush than ours, and it has a god awful massive door to door screen, and it is bigger than the range rover, the build quality IMHO can't stack up to some of those others. The suspension alone is nothing compared to the Airbag and dynamic shock systems found on those others. That's asking a lot. Just my .02.

 

[BigOleFordFan]

"If ya wanna play, ya gotzta pay", hahahaha

It is what it is, but yea, I agree that $102 is alot for any vehicle, Navi or otherwise, but the new ones don't offer much that would make me wanna buy one at that price...

However, just for thought, my brother bought 2x fully loaded '24 Max's earlier this year, WITH FRIGGIN CASH, and no trades, from the same dealer he has dealt with for over 20 years, and he was still complaining about having to cough up $92k for each one, even though he is rather wealthy & could easily afford it, he was still in shock afterwards !

The last thing he said to me before we pulled off the dealer's lot was "what has this world come to"

 

[dlcorbett]

I'm a little blown away by this. The new 2025 Navi will start at $102K? The 2025 Escalade Luxury starts at $88K, and 2024 Range Rover is $107K. I gotta be honest, while it may be a lot more plush than ours, and it has a god awful massive door to door screen, and it is bigger than the range rover, the build quality IMHO can't stack up to some of those others. The suspension alone is nothing compared to the Airbag and dynamic shock systems found on those others. That's asking a lot. Just my .02.

You have remember, that 88k escalade doesn't have 4wd, air springs or magnet ride. To get the sophisticated suspension, your dropping $115k minimum. The gw base was increased to start at $95k. Feature for feature, the nav is actually priced lower than most.

 

[5280tunage]

You have remember, that 88k escalade doesn't have 4wd, air springs or magnet ride. To get the sophisticated suspension, your dropping $115k minimum. The gw base was increased to start at $95k. Feature for feature, the nav is actually priced lower than most.

The Sport for '25 doesn't include air but does have the magnetic suspension, which is still better than the CCD which is essentially just hydraulic manipulation. The Platinums have Air but those are 120K ish and are nearly the top of the line (not including VSeries). A jump of $15 from year to year since you've killed the entry product is pretty staggering. Given all the issues with all of these things lately, I'd rather buy 2 or 3 60's-70's burbans! and all of those were 4x4 btw. The luxury edition in 4wd starts at $92.

I realize Lincoln has better service care then Ford, but the few people know with Caddy's actually get decent coffee in their waiting rooms, lol.

 

[JasonH]

Apart from the screen and split hatch, which the Expedition also gets, what other upgrades are there? Standard 4wd and...?

I was never the target consumer for one anyway, as my needs are more plebian. My kids would just stink up the interior with funky softball gear. I contemplated upgrading to one when I replace my Expedition, but I really really really want an electric Suburban with that big-ass 212 kWh battery. All the benefits of electric and it can tow my camper too.

 

[sixstring]

The nav is only about 10k more than the plat and it certainly is a lot more plush. My wife has the new nautilus and the display is beautiful.

 

[cekkk]

Our daughter buys a Lincoln Navigator L every 2 years. I don't know whether this is her year to purchase or next year, but I'm going to ask her what she paid for it. They never finance vehicles.

 

[Fizzy]

I wouldn't put Cadillac on any kind of a pedestal. We had an Escalade a few years ago and it was absolute dogshit. Bits of trim loose and falling off, creaks and rattles everywhere.

As for Range Rover - my cousin bought a new one a couple of years ago. In the first year he owned it, it spent more time at the dealership being fixed than he had it at home.

 

[5280tunage]

I wouldn't put Cadillac on any kind of a pedestal. We had an Escalade a few years ago and it was absolute dogshit. Bits of trim loose and falling off, creaks and rattles everywhere.

As for Range Rover - my cousin bought a new one a couple of years ago. In the first year he owned it, it spent more time at the dealership being fixed than he had it at home.

Agree but again I wasn't necessarily saying build quality of the Cadillac was better. The appointments, options, etc of the vehicle are better for most (everyone has their opinions), but the service experience is substantially better.

and again, agree with you on quality of rovers, but many they take care of you when you need service. So if I have two vehicles likely priced around the same, they have likely the same reliability, but one has one heck of a better service experience I know what I would pick. Since I bought mine in Nov. of 2019, mine has probably been in the shop for a total of 4-5 months. Not sure that's a great record but sure others are better and some are worse.

Anyway, my experience with this is the perspective I have, when you read that the first US made large SUV that starts over $100K is a Ford/Lincoln, that's what really surprised me.

 

[Alwaysthinkin]

So if I have two vehicles likely priced around the same, they have likely the same reliability, but one has one heck of a better service experience I know what I would pick.

This is exactly the way I feel. Ford Dealerships in my area seem to only care about you if you are looking to buy a new vehicle. I can't believe they expect you to drop your car off with absolutely no understanding of how long they will have the vehicle. I've been fortunate my Expy has yet to encounter the problems so many others speak of here.

 

[99WhiteC5Coupe]

If money is an issue, you could drive a Xiaomi like Ford’s CEO does: https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/jim-farley-ford-china/2024/10/29/id/1185934/

 

[BravoAlpha]

The nav is only about 10k more than the plat and it certainly is a lot more plush. My wife has the new nautilus and the display is beautiful.

My thoughts exactly. You can’t justify a 88K platinum an not a 100K navigator. I rented a 2023 Escalade in Vegas for a few days and I still prefer the 4th gen….now this wasn’t a V. But the gwiz screens were a lot and it didn’t feel like 100K to me

Anyhow, I picked up my dad the other day (he drives a 2012 F150 he bought new and will never get rid of) and he hopped in the Expedition and said what did you pay for this thing. I got D plan at 70006. He says “well this is a 40K truck with 30k electronics then”… so true

 

[dlcorbett]

Just for context, the my25 navigator starts at 102k including destination. The equivalent my24 with the same features is 104k.

 

[Deadman]

Worst investment on the planet....... A Navigator...

 

[lurch]

Paying six figures for a Navigator when you can get a better-optioned Denali at the same price just does not make sense. Six years after the chassis was released, it is still the only vehicle in its class that does not offer an air ride.

 

[5280tunage]

And I recently drove around in a series 2 grand wagoneer that cost just under 100k, everything felt better built. The doors sounded better closing (I know, old school but I still judge by the sound of the doors). the Mcintosh stereo was fantastic, had a real HUD, seats were more comfortable to me, the heated and cooled seats worked much better, etc. Now, those probably aren't any more reliable, but I liked the Hurricane under the hood too. Air suspension - check.

 

[lurch]

The Hurricane needs a few more years of refinement. From what I have been reading, they are reported to have very poor reliability.

 

[dlcorbett]

Paying six figures for a Navigator when you can get a better-optioned Denali at the same price just does not make sense. Six years after the chassis was released, it is still the only vehicle in its class that does not offer an air ride.

The denali ultimate is the same price but does not have the luxury touches, ambience, and seat comfort of the navigator. Yes it has air ride, and some tech that the escalade has, but it will not have the luxury feel of a navigator. Also, though I am as annoyed as everyone there was no air suspension option, the truck isn't even out yet and everyone is already making judgements on The ride quality. Ford has made changes to the suspension, and they say it rides way better so let's wait for that. A lot of people, myself included actually think the current gen expy and nav rides better than the gms on most most roads, it's the rough road ride that needs work.

I will agree that the wagoneer feels fresher, but I wouldn't say better built and the quality is a lot less. The gw series 2 I drove had a lot of hanging trim and exposed wires. And the base revel in our nav (and 30 spkr unit) was way better of s stereo than the wagoneer 23 spkr Macintosh. My dads escalades 20 spkr unit was also better.

 

[mr_dave]

What's the problem? Just make a $1200 /month payment for the next decade!

 

[JasonH]

What's the problem? Just make a $1200 /month payment for the next decade!

Obviously price isn't an obstacle for some people. I think most of us are enthusiasts and can judge a vehicle on merits other than perceived value. I look at all cars, from Kias to McLarens. I'm a transit proponent, but it just so happens that enjoy engineering and cars. Just because I can't afford some of them or think some are a poor value doesn't stop me from assessing their design and features. On every YouTube review and forum comment someone weighs in about how a vehicle is too expensive. Maybe for you, but then obviously you're not the target demographic. And that's ok, it's nice for consumers to have options. And depreciation is a thing.