5 weeks at dealer - CCM and Collision Avoidance

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I posted about this issue 2 years ago Here, and wish I pushed for lemon law back then. For anyone on the fence, lean-in early with the lemon laws. ford has dozens of "parts back ordered", or "we're waiting on a fix" etc. the best course of action is just to tell them "hold the vehicle until the part comes in" every single day they have your vehicle counts to the lemon law.
I was dumb and brought it back 6-7 times over the course of 3 years, every time with a "we fixed it by reprogramming", which never worked more than a few weeks.
Be warned, use the lemon law.

I'm on visit #8 now, dropped truck off mid-June.
Week one, They thought it was programming, "oh we just need to flash it, happens sometimes" well, they couldn't get it to program, so they decided it was faulty and needed to be replaced.
Week two, they replace the CCM it took a few days to get, and thought it would be programmed in a few hours. Wouldn't load the program.
Week three, they finally were able to force the CCM to load the programming, but now it wouldn't calibrate
Week four, we had to open a customer satisfaction case due to 4 weeks of no resolution, they replaced a pig tail, and Ford SME at corporate had them pull the bumper 3x to test each parking sensor, radar sensor, and inspect each harness.
Week five, still can't get the error message to go away on the dashboard, but "hey, we were able to get the program to load and it passed calibration".
We're about to get into week six in a few days, the local advisor is already starting to indicate they don't want the truck there anymore, last status I got: "We think it's a bad program for the CCM module, they have a known issue with those throwing error messages, so we may need to wait until its released in October."

I've literally gone the entire summer now without my family SUV.
it's 3 years old, B2B covered the issue above, but I have top ESP coverage also.
I'd consider replacing it for the headaches, but it's been maintained so well and in great condition. Plus, why should I have to replace it when the warranty should cover all these parts and work?
 

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I posted about this issue 2 years ago Here, and wish I pushed for lemon law back then. For anyone on the fence, lean-in early with the lemon laws. ford has dozens of "parts back ordered", or "we're waiting on a fix" etc. the best course of action is just to tell them "hold the vehicle until the part comes in" every single day they have your vehicle counts to the lemon law.
I was dumb and brought it back 6-7 times over the course of 3 years, every time with a "we fixed it by reprogramming", which never worked more than a few weeks.
Be warned, use the lemon law.

I'm on visit #8 now, dropped truck off mid-June.
Week one, They thought it was programming, "oh we just need to flash it, happens sometimes" well, they couldn't get it to program, so they decided it was faulty and needed to be replaced.
Week two, they replace the CCM it took a few days to get, and thought it would be programmed in a few hours. Wouldn't load the program.
Week three, they finally were able to force the CCM to load the programming, but now it wouldn't calibrate
Week four, we had to open a customer satisfaction case due to 4 weeks of no resolution, they replaced a pig tail, and Ford SME at corporate had them pull the bumper 3x to test each parking sensor, radar sensor, and inspect each harness.
Week five, still can't get the error message to go away on the dashboard, but "hey, we were able to get the program to load and it passed calibration".
We're about to get into week six in a few days, the local advisor is already starting to indicate they don't want the truck there anymore, last status I got: "We think it's a bad program for the CCM module, they have a known issue with those throwing error messages, so we may need to wait until its released in October."

I've literally gone the entire summer now without my family SUV.
it's 3 years old, B2B covered the issue above, but I have top ESP coverage also.
I'd consider replacing it for the headaches, but it's been maintained so well and in great condition. Plus, why should I have to replace it when the warranty should cover all these parts and work?


Best wishes.

You should have pursued the lemon law repurchase when you were within the buyback window. Hindsight is 20-20.

Manufacturers and their authorized dealers will do everything to stall and delay their customers, hoping you will give up and go away.

They also hope you will give up on seeking repairs under terms of their warranty, which saves them money.

The vehicle is not in great condition if it has been sitting at the dealer for weeks with no repair solution, with eight repair visits and no resolution.
 

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Based on the amount of time you've been dealing with this issue, I am sure you aware of the attached SSM. Based on your description of the issue, it seems like your truck is a prime candidate for the fix supposedly coming in October.

Because you mentioned having FORScan, this excerpt from the SSM seems like something you can maybe do yourself in the meantime:

"To restore communication and functionality, download and run the "IPMA - Image Processing Module A (IPMA) Recovery" app in the Ford Diagnosis and Repair System (FDRS) scan tool. Once IPMA communication has been restored, download and run the "IPMA - Image Processing Module (IPMA) Alignment" app, recheck DTCs and confirm that all warning messages are cleared from the IPC."

I am not sure what the IPMA Recovery app does in FDRS and if there is a FORScan equivalent service procedure for it. I don't have my laptop with me to try to run the app in FDRS to see if I can figure out what it actually does, but I can look into it if you have an interest in going the DIY route. I know for sure you can calibrate the the IPMA using FORScan; just not sure how important the "recovery" step is in the process described in the SSM Ford sent out.

This sucks and in no way am I defending Ford or suggesting that customers should have to resort to this. However, sometimes sh*t happens and you gotta do what you gotta do. Letting the truck go is one option and based on how long you've been dealing with this, I would not blame you for giving up and taking a different direction at this point. The other side of that coin is: You've been dealing with this for two years now, so what's another 2 months or so? Did the dealer ever check if your truck was built with either of the feature codes listed in the SSM? If not, message me the VIN and I can check.
 

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Based on the amount of time you've been dealing with this issue, I am sure you aware of the attached SSM. Based on your description of the issue, it seems like your truck is a prime candidate for the fix supposedly coming in October.

Because you mentioned having FORScan, this excerpt from the SSM seems like something you can maybe do yourself in the meantime:

"To restore communication and functionality, download and run the "IPMA - Image Processing Module A (IPMA) Recovery" app in the Ford Diagnosis and Repair System (FDRS) scan tool. Once IPMA communication has been restored, download and run the "IPMA - Image Processing Module (IPMA) Alignment" app, recheck DTCs and confirm that all warning messages are cleared from the IPC."

I am not sure what the IPMA Recovery app does in FDRS and if there is a FORScan equivalent service procedure for it. I don't have my laptop with me to try to run the app in FDRS to see if I can figure out what it actually does, but I can look into it if you have an interest in going the DIY route. I know for sure you can calibrate the the IPMA using FORScan; just not sure how important the "recovery" step is in the process described in the SSM Ford sent out.

This sucks and in no way am I defending Ford or suggesting that customers should have to resort to this. However, sometimes sh*t happens and you gotta do what you gotta do. Letting the truck go is one option and based on how long you've been dealing with this, I would not blame you for giving up and taking a different direction at this point. The other side of that coin is: You've been dealing with this for two years now, so what's another 2 months or so? Did the dealer ever check if your truck was built with either of the feature codes listed in the SSM? If not, message me the VIN and I can check.

thanks, they have the vehicle and have done these programming steps. i don't have it, so I can't run any programming.
They believe it's one of three things:
- wire harness somewhere is frayed or bad (they checked this can can't find any)
- IPMA is faulty (it sits between the CCM and the dashboard control module)
- software is faulty, which could be the October fix, but the errors included in the SSM do not line up with the errors my truck has (I don't have the codes as I don't have the vehicle)

I have a loaner for now, so I'm going to just let them keep chipping away.
you can tell though this is starting to become less and less of a priority for them, which just takes longer for me.
 

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Sorry to hear of the issues, I get it. Luckily mine has been good for the last couple years but for my first 2-3 years, problem after problem. I went back 4 time for APIM issues, only to find out a bad USB cable behind the dash was causing the issues.
 

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I posted about this issue 2 years ago Here, and wish I pushed for lemon law back then. For anyone on the fence, lean-in early with the lemon laws. ford has dozens of "parts back ordered", or "we're waiting on a fix" etc. the best course of action is just to tell them "hold the vehicle until the part comes in" every single day they have your vehicle counts to the lemon law.
I was dumb and brought it back 6-7 times over the course of 3 years, every time with a "we fixed it by reprogramming", which never worked more than a few weeks.
Be warned, use the lemon law.

I'm on visit #8 now, dropped truck off mid-June.
Week one, They thought it was programming, "oh we just need to flash it, happens sometimes" well, they couldn't get it to program, so they decided it was faulty and needed to be replaced.
Week two, they replace the CCM it took a few days to get, and thought it would be programmed in a few hours. Wouldn't load the program.
Week three, they finally were able to force the CCM to load the programming, but now it wouldn't calibrate
Week four, we had to open a customer satisfaction case due to 4 weeks of no resolution, they replaced a pig tail, and Ford SME at corporate had them pull the bumper 3x to test each parking sensor, radar sensor, and inspect each harness.
Week five, still can't get the error message to go away on the dashboard, but "hey, we were able to get the program to load and it passed calibration".
We're about to get into week six in a few days, the local advisor is already starting to indicate they don't want the truck there anymore, last status I got: "We think it's a bad program for the CCM module, they have a known issue with those throwing error messages, so we may need to wait until its released in October."

I've literally gone the entire summer now without my family SUV.
it's 3 years old, B2B covered the issue above, but I have top ESP coverage also.
I'd consider replacing it for the headaches, but it's been maintained so well and in great condition. Plus, why should I have to replace it when the warranty should cover all these parts and work?
I’m having roughly the same issue with my 2024 Expedition Max. Purchased new in May of this year, had 2200 miles on it from loner program. This all went south 200 miles onto a 700 mile round trip. Cruise stopped working, adaptive crude also stopped as well as the codes I have loaded below. After a couple of tries, my dealer service dept said the “software fix” should come in July and would be pushed out to the truck. I called Ford - their response, we sure understand your frustration, the update is scheduled for October. I told the nimrods I wanted this vehicle considered for their “buy back” program, denied with no indication why. I love my Expo but this is beyond ridiculous.
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I posted about this issue 2 years ago Here, and wish I pushed for lemon law back then. For anyone on the fence, lean-in early with the lemon laws. ford has dozens of "parts back ordered", or "we're waiting on a fix" etc. the best course of action is just to tell them "hold the vehicle until the part comes in" every single day they have your vehicle counts to the lemon law.
I was dumb and brought it back 6-7 times over the course of 3 years, every time with a "we fixed it by reprogramming", which never worked more than a few weeks.
Be warned, use the lemon law.

I'm on visit #8 now, dropped truck off mid-June.
Week one, They thought it was programming, "oh we just need to flash it, happens sometimes" well, they couldn't get it to program, so they decided it was faulty and needed to be replaced.
Week two, they replace the CCM it took a few days to get, and thought it would be programmed in a few hours. Wouldn't load the program.
Week three, they finally were able to force the CCM to load the programming, but now it wouldn't calibrate
Week four, we had to open a customer satisfaction case due to 4 weeks of no resolution, they replaced a pig tail, and Ford SME at corporate had them pull the bumper 3x to test each parking sensor, radar sensor, and inspect each harness.
Week five, still can't get the error message to go away on the dashboard, but "hey, we were able to get the program to load and it passed calibration".
We're about to get into week six in a few days, the local advisor is already starting to indicate they don't want the truck there anymore, last status I got: "We think it's a bad program for the CCM module, they have a known issue with those throwing error messages, so we may need to wait until its released in October."

I've literally gone the entire summer now without my family SUV.
it's 3 years old, B2B covered the issue above, but I have top ESP coverage also.
I'd consider replacing it for the headaches, but it's been maintained so well and in great condition. Plus, why should I have to replace it when the warranty should cover all these parts and work?
My 2024 Exp Max has the same issues. I was told Ford “will push a fix OTA (over the air) by the end of October”. Yeah, right - whatever. It is now mid November and no such OTA push. My Expo is sitting in the shop now waiting in a module that is probably on “back order”. I have taken it to two different dealerships and in 8,500 miles the cruise control and everything connected to it has worked approx 700 mile. As soon as I meet all the requirements to qualify for the Alabama lemon law I WILL use it. We love our Expo but this situation is beyond ridiculous.
 

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I’m having roughly the same issue with my 2024 Expedition Max. Purchased new in May of this year, had 2200 miles on it from loner program. This all went south 200 miles onto a 700 mile round trip. Cruise stopped working, adaptive crude also stopped as well as the codes I have loaded below. After a couple of tries, my dealer service dept said the “software fix” should come in July and would be pushed out to the truck. I called Ford - their response, we sure understand your frustration, the update is scheduled for October. I told the nimrods I wanted this vehicle considered for their “buy back” program, denied with no indication why. I love my Expo but this is beyond ridiculous.
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Research your state’s lemon law. Ford or your dealer will not help you.

If you qualify based on your research, contact an attorney.
 

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Good advice - have one located that specializes in lemon law cases. As soon as my truck meets the LL requirements, that’s the direction I’m headed. I am not prepared to believe there is any excuse for this non-sense. Other than FoMoCo engineers came up with this garbage and the UAW nug workers aren’t qualified to install said garbage and make it work.
 
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