Are 2022's more reliable than my '18?

LazSlate · Jul 18, 2022

The Ecoboost is always improving. From what I understand is they changed the CAM phasers.
Also where you live has a big impact on reliability. Salty roads and extreme cold take their toll on the vehicle.
When I lived in MD every car I owned had issues from seized brake calipers, to locks to engine issues from extreme cold starts, o-ring items like shocks from the cold, etc. Living in AZ for 25 years I have had practically no issues. Just pretty much wear items. Of course results will vary depending on who you talk to but this just my opinion.

billb1000 · Jul 18, 2022

Regarding the power running boards, carry a large can of wd40 and spray liberally on each front and rear hinge area. This will keep them from freezing. If frozen already, spray the wd40 and lift or pull them when activated to get them started.
Regarding a Jeep vs. Expedition, you will be much better off with the Expo. Jeeeps are more problematic.

lobsenza · Jul 18, 2022

Toyota screwed up the Sequoia for 2023. Then went back to a solid rear axle from independent rear suspension. The 3rd row is no longer fold flat and cargo space is reduced. Third row space is greatly reduced. Stupid move Toyota!!

I loved my 2008 Sequoia. But, the current design dates back to 2008 and the redesign is screwed up.

LazSlate · Jul 19, 2022

lobsenza said:
Toyota screwed up the Sequoia for 2023. Then went back to a solid rear axle from independent rear suspension. The 3rd row is no longer fold flat and cargo space is reduced. Third row space is greatly reduced. Stupid move Toyota!!

I loved my 2008 Sequoia. But, the current design dates back to 2008 and the redesign is screwed up.

Yeah that makes no sense. Unless they are going for money savings and reliability and do not care about the downsides.
A solid axle rear is pretty much bullet proof but kinda rides like crap compared to independent.

floridaforder · Jul 19, 2022

Jettix2 said:
If we trade this in, we'd be looking at either a Wagoneer (too small), Wagoneer L (would be a '23 with brand new, unproven Twin-Turbo I6 engine, no thanks)

Just FYI - There's some 2022 Grand Wagoneer models that already have the Twin-Turbo I6 engine so it wouldn't be unproven in the 2023 models.

TimberExpy · Jul 19, 2022

LazSlate said:
Yeah that makes no sense. Unless they are going for money savings and reliability and do not care about the downsides.
A solid axle rear is pretty much bullet proof but kinda rides like crap compared to independent.

We are Toyota/Lexus fans over here, and bought our ‘22 Expy b/c 1) it was actually available for purchase (imagine that) and 2) I’ve always said that if we bought something other than a Toyo, it would be a Ford.

But I have no idea why in the world they did what they did with that storage floor, and the non-adjustable second row. Well, I guess they did it to accommodate the hybrid battery, but still…..

Jettix2 · Jul 19, 2022

lobsenza said:
Toyota screwed up the Sequoia for 2023. Then went back to a solid rear axle from independent rear suspension. The 3rd row is no longer fold flat and cargo space is reduced. Third row space is greatly reduced. Stupid move Toyota!!

I loved my 2008 Sequoia. But, the current design dates back to 2008 and the redesign is screwed up.

Sounds like they moved the Sequoia to the new Tundra platform, which necessitated a solid rear axle, along with the space required for the hybrid batteries. We can't live with the limited cargo space anyway, so it's not an option

This coming from a family who's had 4 Toyota pickups, 2 Sequoias, and 4 Land Cruisers

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lobsenza · Jul 19, 2022

Thye old Sequoia was built on the old Tundra platform, but somehow they managed to get IRS in the prior model. I wonder how many customers will be lost becase of this decision. My guess is a lot.

8131full · Jul 20, 2022

Squark said:
I'm wondering the same thing. My cam phasers just went out again this week (second time) at 61k miles. The cold startup noise is louder than before and happens if I park for a couple of hours, not just overnight. One of the horns doesn't work, the power sunshade makes a loud grinding noise, the console vinyl is cracking, and I have some creaks I can't figure out. I've already had some major repairs, like cam phasers and both turbos. I have an ESP, but if I'm having so many issues already I don't have a lot of confidence for a reliable future.

The Suburban/Yukon don't have a high enough tow rating for my travel trailer. I'm with you on the Wagoneer L. I'd want to wait a few years for the issues to be worked out. I've considered a '22 Expedition Max, but I might just jump to a 1-ton truck for towing our trailer. I'll definitely miss the convenience of daily driving and taking trips in the Expedition if I go that route.

The sunshade is an easy fix. Theres a couple of threads here about it. The specific lube you need is available on amazon. Its kind of expensive, but works.

twinturbodude7 · Jul 20, 2022

lobsenza said:
Toyota screwed up the Sequoia for 2023. Then went back to a solid rear axle from independent rear suspension. The 3rd row is no longer fold flat and cargo space is reduced. Third row space is greatly reduced. Stupid move Toyota!!

I loved my 2008 Sequoia. But, the current design dates back to 2008 and the redesign is screwed up.

Same tired design issues with the 4runner. They haven't updated the engine nor the transmission in the 2022 4runner. It has the same powertrain architecture as our 2007.

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