2011 or 2012 what to buy?

[superfordfan]

Looking to buy a new Expedition, but havent decided to get an '11 or a '12. My dealer is telling me that ford might introduce the Eco Boost motor in 2012 which they are currently running in the 2011 F150's. The motor is a V6 3.5 365 hp with 450 torque and getting 21-22 mpg. I will be going with the 3.73 gears and 4x4. Anyone heard of this yet? Should i go with the standard 5.4 v8? Kinda leary about going with a new motor since i went through that back in '03 with my 6.0 powerstroke diesel motor. Ford ended up buying the truck back with 9000 miles on it and i got an '04 in return.

 

[Racenut]

I have not heard of them planning on the Eco-Boost motor in the Expy yet. I know they had some changes planned but the last I heard that was put on the " back burner " for the time being.

The Eco-Boost is a great motor. It has been in the new Taurus SHO since it came out and there have been alot of people raving about it in the F150. If Ford where to put that motor in the Expy I am sure they could boost there sales, either that or offer a small diesel option.

 

[walnuts4x4]

an eco-boost expy would be sick....

 

[jacks3am]

if they d get the eco boost its not going to be 22 mpg its going to be more like 18 or 19 on highway, maybe 20

 

[SOLISIMO]

Looking to buy a new Expedition, but havent decided to get an '11 or a '12. My dealer is telling me that ford might introduce the Eco Boost motor in 2012 which they are currently running in the 2011 F150's. The motor is a V6 3.5 365 hp with 450 torque and getting 21-22 mpg. I will be going with the 3.73 gears and 4x4. Anyone heard of this yet? Should i go with the standard 5.4 v8? Kinda leary about going with a new motor since i went through that back in '03 with my 6.0 powerstroke diesel motor. Ford ended up buying the truck back with 9000 miles on it and i got an '04 in return.

Remember compared to the other ford cars, expeditions NEVER have any good rebates. $2500 is the most Ive seen which is nothing compared to the $6000+ for the F150's Ive seen. Now what I would do is wait for the 2012 to come out bc then you might finally see some decent rebates on the 2011. If you think a new limited EL is expensive, wait till they put the ecoboost in it

 

[sgtowing]

I would stick with the 5.4. I have an 05 with 120k and I get 18mpg on the highway with it. I know that because I actually check the mileage with the odometer, not the display. A new one should get the same. Plus, you'll loose the torque with the v6that you would have with the v8. You want all the torque you can get when your trying to move a 6,000lb vehicle.

 

[mudryder18]

I would stick with the 5.4. I have an 05 with 120k and I get 18mpg on the highway with it. I know that because I actually check the mileage with the odometer, not the display. A new one should get the same. Plus, you'll loose the torque with the v6that you would have with the v8. You want all the torque you can get when your trying to move a 6,000lb vehicle.

Actually the v6 eco boost has more torque and hp than the 2011 5.4 3v V8.
3.5 EcoBoost 365hp and 420torque
5.4 V8 310hp and 365torque (trust me i know my ford engines)

 

[walnuts4x4]

3.5 EcoBoost 365hp and 420torque

another reason I would trade my expy in... in a heart beat... for a new F150... but don't want payments and the boss a.k.a. the wife....... says NO!!

 

[panda24619]

i want that eco boost. its not getting the perclaimed 22 mpg freeway as the retarded epa says its getting, but still you cant beat 18 high way and still pull away from V8 trucks. the twin turbos wining sound so nice. i saw 2 eco boost f150s running the stock class at the mint 400. both sounded sexy!

 

[sgtowing]

Actually the v6 eco boost has more torque and hp than the 2011 5.4 3v V8.
3.5 EcoBoost 365hp and 420torque
5.4 V8 310hp and 365torque (trust me i know my ford engines)

I love Fords. But I'm not quite sure I belive 420lb.-ft torque at 2500rpm.
Especially when the engine has the same displacement, same compression, same valve train and the block and heads are both aluminum. I will belive it when i see it on a dyno. Small displacement, high reving engines are not known for torque

 

[WHOISMOOTOO]

just slap a turbo on your ex?

 

[sgtowing]

just slap a turbo on your ex?

I'm not a fan of turbos. A supercharger, I'm all for it. I dont like pieces that add heat to engine oil. Heat is the #1 enemy of any engine.

 

[mudryder18]

The ecoboost is twin turbocharged. It sends the exhaust gas back through the engine for a more complete fuel burn

 

[sgtowing]

The ecoboost is twin turbocharged. It sends the exhaust gas back through the engine for a more complete fuel burn

I know it is twin turbocharged. Every car and light truck for the last 20+ years has had exhaust gas sent back through the engine for a more complete burn. Thats what EGR is. Exhaust Gas Recirculation. All I am saying is low displacement engines generally do not do well in the torque dept. That also generally true for high reving engines. Thats why old 454's and 460's were high torque engines. Big displacement + low reving = torque. Thats also why diesels are great for torque. Big displacement and low reving.

 

[mudryder18]

Yea but deisels also have turbochargers to get such big torque numbers. So im not sure what the point is you are trying to make. And im not sure where you saw high revving. The 3.5 v6 ecoboost makes peak hp @5000rpm and peak torque @2500rpm. The 5.4 v8 makes peak hp @5100rpm and peak torque @3600. And the new 6.2 v8 makes peak hp @5500rpm and peak torque @4500rpm. So the v6 ecoboost is actually the lowest revving.

 

[sgtowing]

Yea but deisels also have turbochargers to get such big torque numbers. So im not sure what the point is you are trying to make. And im not sure where you saw high revving. The 3.5 v6 ecoboost makes peak hp @5000rpm and peak torque @2500rpm. The 5.4 v8 makes peak hp @5100rpm and peak torque @3600. And the new 6.2 v8 makes peak hp @5500rpm and peak torque @4500rpm. So the v6 ecoboost is actually the lowest revving.

I do not belive fords claim. thats my point

 

[mudryder18]

I do not belive fords claim. thats my point

Ohhh ok, that is much more clear. Im not gonna argue with bout that.
They have been know to mess up. They claimed the 2011 mustang 5.0L had 412hp with a manuel trans, but when motortrend tested their stock press car on the dyno it made 435hp.

 

[KWT2000]

Just got back from looking at an EL... the dealer is saying the 2012 may have the new 5.0 360 horse engine that would be sweet

according to one of the people at the dealer the ECOBOOST more than likly won't see the expy due to the weight of the expy and towing weight that people want.

they don't think the little v6 even with the turbo will beable to produce the touque needed to make poeple happy

 

[Racenut]

I'm not a fan of turbos. A supercharger, I'm all for it. I dont like pieces that add heat to engine oil. Heat is the #1 enemy of any engine.

A lot of todays " Superchargers " are now oil cooled with engine oil as well. Granted some do have there own oil supply but a lot of them are plumbed in just like a turbo.

Granted yes Heat is an enemy to any engine, but it is a bigger enemy to ANY supercharger or turbo. The best thing to combat this is to just put in a HD oil cooler.

 

[jacks3am]

with superchargers it takes power to make power, and turbos have more potential to me