2018 Expedition vs. 2017 Navigator

[FlyBry]

Used 2018 Ford Expedition MAX Limited Specs & Features

Engine
Horsepower	375 hp @ 5000 rpm
Torque	470 lb-ft @ 3500 rpm
Valve timing	Variable
Valves	24

 

[FlyBry]

If useful, Video on removing middle row seat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEBLtrCv8nA

 

[turtle019]

The tilt/slide seats on the 4th gen make it MUCH easier to get into the 3rd row vs the tumble seats on the 3rd gen. As much as I love my 3rd gen, the 2nd row seats in my brother's 4th gen have me jealous. With 3 kids in car seats I would say consider a 4th gen 2nd row bench. You can still access the 3rd row without removing the car seat if you want to spread out, but you can also load them all in the 2nd row to keep them in easy reach or throw something big in the back. On a 3rd gen the back row basically becomes inaccessible with car seats on a 2nd row bench.
Before my 17 Expedition I had a 15 Navigator. Both had 20" wheels, the Navigator had CCD and the Expedition does not. For sure a softer ride with CCD, but I think the Expedition is perfectly comfortable without it. Had I not had the Navigator I wouldn't know I was missing out on anything
3rd gen Navigators with tow package did not come with integrated TBCs. They had a prep harness for adding an aftermarket one
Both are great products. An up optioned 18 Expedition will have more features than a 17 Navigator. I'd say go 4th gen if you can, but at the same time I have no plans to replace my 3rd gen any time soon.

 

[p38fln]

You absolutely want the Max unless you aren’t going to use the back row. The regular expedition/ Navigator barely has room for a suitcase behind the 3rd row. The 3rd row headrests just about touch the rear glass.
EL/Max has almost enough room for a full size clothes washer behind the 3rd row.

Also, adding the navigation system seems to automatically give you the captains chairs, so look for an expedition EL with navigation- they usually advertise Nav a bit heavier than captains chairs.

Also on the Lincoln, most dealers order them with a center console in the second row so the captains chairs don’t allow for easy movement to the third row like on the expedition, if that’s what you were going for.

All expedition/ navigator second row outboard seats are the same size, captains chairs just adds arm rests.

So short answer:
If you need more than 4 seats on a routine basis (with captains chairs) you will really, really want the EL/max

 

[dlcorbett]

Found this '18 MAX Platinum with captains seats and the Tow Package. $55k for 66k miles. Meets all the requirements (except price), plus adds the extra features of the Platinum. What are the biggest upgrades on the Platinum vs. a Limited?

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Hp bump(only on 91 and above), massage seats, slightly more upscale exterior/interior trim. With how the uses car market is going, it's going to be a tough search for what your looking for. That ones def gonna be snatched up soon because for some reason, people want houses and cars right now.

 

[cobalt_boater]

This might be the one. '18 Max Limited with HD Tow Package, Captains Chairs, 22" Wheels, plus the LED Headlights and 360 Camera. $51k for 61k miles. Still a lot of money for a vehicle with that many miles. But this is where the market is unfortunately. And it's a whole lot of vehicle that I will definitely utilize with my growing family and towing needs.

What do you think? Anything specific I should be checking? Carfax 1-owner, no accidents, maintenance appears up to date.

 

[FlyBry]

I would grab that while you can. It has the options you want, and gotta love the color.

 

[Rob6805]

This might be the one. '18 Max Limited with HD Tow Package, Captains Chairs, 22" Wheels, plus the LED Headlights and 360 Camera. $51k for 61k miles. Still a lot of money for a vehicle with that many miles. But this is where the market is unfortunately. And it's a whole lot of vehicle that I will definitely utilize with my growing family and towing needs.

What do you think? Anything specific I should be checking? Carfax 1-owner, no accidents, maintenance appears up to date.

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Cam phasers. See if the update was preformed.

 

[cobalt_boater]

FlyBry - white is my wife's preferred color as well. This one is about 5 hours away so trying to coordinate the logistics now. Considering having the local Ford Dealer do an inspection (it's at a Toyota dealer).

Rob6805 - does this appear that the Cam Phaser update was performed?

 

[BMW2FORD]

I’d grab it while you can if the CarFax is clean and the oil services were done in time. The one I just bought about 3 months ago is the same options minus the tow package and we picked it up with the same mileage and price.

 

[GenSuper]

Factory tow package for 4WD also changes gear ratio to 3.73, at least on the Platinum model.

 

[cobalt_boater]

I am looking at flights to go pick up that white one. Can anyone tell me if the Cam Phaser Update was performed based on this Carfax?

 

[2019 Plat Exp]

I am looking at flights to go pick up that white one. Can anyone tell me if the Cam Phaser Update was performed based on this Carfax?

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To me that reads as it was issued by Ford not actually done since it says locate an authorized ford or lincoln dealer not performed by one. Also you might be better off looking for a 2021 leftover once 2022 refresh hits for that price as in about a year or so your going to be very upside down on that car when used car prices drop. I would just buy new and pay closer to MSRP or hold off for a little while longer.

 

[cobalt_boater]

To me that reads as it was issued by Ford not actually done since it says locate an authorized ford or lincoln dealer not performed by one. Also you might be better off looking for a 2021 leftover once 2022 refresh hits for that price as in about a year or so your going to be very upside down on that car when used car prices drop. I would just buy new and pay closer to MSRP or hold off for a little while longer.

Ok thanks. Is that a free recall completed by the dealer, or is there a cost to have it completed?

I won't be upside down since I will be paying cash, but I recognize at some point the market is gonna drop. I need the vehicle now so I can't really do anything about that...

 

[cobalt_boater]

Does anyone know of a way to find the Window Sticker using the VIN number?

 

[2019 Plat Exp]

Ok thanks. Is that a free recall completed by the dealer, or is there a cost to have it completed?

I won't be upside down since I will be paying cash, but I recognize at some point the market is gonna drop. I need the vehicle now so I can't really do anything about that...

Free as far as I know since its issues sort of as a recall but not really a recall you can probably call your local dealer and verify though.

You can try this link but it wont pull back for my 2019 so I doubt it will be active for yours. Just punch in the vin of the one your looking at after the vin= in the URL.

https://www.windowsticker.forddirect.com/windowsticker.pdf?vin=

 

[JExpedition07]

I’d grab it, yes the TSB is generally a free reprogram….that doesn’t always work. If the rattle continues they will usually replace phasers under warranty. Make sure you are covered and powertrain warranty still in effect. That’s the biggest key. I know for years it was 60k miles, and a 100k one could be purchased.

 

[cobalt_boater]

I’d grab it, yes the TSB is generally a free reprogram….that doesn’t always work. If the rattle continues they will usually replace phasers under warranty. Make sure you are covered and powertrain warranty still in effect. That’s the biggest key. I know for years it was 60k miles, and a 100k one could be purchased.

This one has 61k miles so just outside of Factory Powertrain Warranty. I supposed an Extended Warranty from Ford would be an option.

When a 4th Gen has the Trailer Control knob and the Brake Controller, then it ALWAYS has the HD Trailer Package right?

 

[shane_th_ee]

This one has 61k miles so just outside of Factory Powertrain Warranty. I supposed an Extended Warranty from Ford would be an option.

When a 4th Gen has the Trailer Control knob and the Brake Controller, then it ALWAYS has the HD Trailer Package right?

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Correct!

 

[FlyBry]

You can also check the Axle Code
Code Gear Ratio (L - limited slip, C - open differential)
15 3.31C
16 3.73C
17 (1997) 3.73C
17 (1998) 3.55C
17 (1999-2002) 3.31C
19 3.55C
H5 3.31L
H6 3.73L
H7 3.31L
H9 3.55L