2020 XLT Stereo Upgrade

[JKautz]

Just bought a 2020 Expedition Max with the 202A option package that had a few other options (i.e. Nav., Captain’s chairs, sunroof). Opted for this over the Limited due to about a roughly $6,500 price difference when similarly equipped. My kids are just going to wipe buggers on the inside anyway. However, I just couldn’t take the 6 speaker stereo. I’m not looking for amazing sound, but this stereo is weak. I’m totally fine with the stock Bose setup in my Q7 and Boxster, but this just wasn’t going to work.

So at 350 miles all the door panels came off, and new speakers went in. Also put in a Rockford Fosgate PBR300X4 amp which fit nicely in the extra space towards the dash under the center console (a bit up from the cupholders). Hopefully it won’t overheat (time will tell). I retained the factory head and spliced in to the factory harness (using line level inputs). Made me queasy in the process, but all went fine.

Project is almost done, and it sounds much better. Not perfect, but not like crap like before. I can hear the stereo now over the road noise.

However, just wanted to post a few ideas that might help:

Easiest point I found to run power for the amp was the grommet for the hood release cable on the driver side. Unfortunately, that’s opposite the battery so it’s not ideal, but it’s easy to reach.

Tweeter wire feed for front A posts actually split off in the door at the factory speaker, not the head unit. Made using the aftermarket speaker crossovers (mounted in the door) very easy. I retained all factory wiring.

Cutting holes in the rear door panel for new tweeters with a dremel is very easy. There are already holes (probably for the B&O system) in the back of the panel that almost act as a guide.

System still lacks deep bass, but for a $700ish upgrade, I wasn’t expecting a ton of bass. The sound is a bit “crisp” but I don’t hate the sound anymore.

Last step is the Forscan removal of the fake engine noise (and auto start), which I’ll work on soon.

 

[pw1981]

Last step is the Forscan removal of the fake engine noise (and auto start), which I’ll work on soon.

Fake engine noise?

 

[wakeboarder]

Just bought a 2020 Expedition Max with the 202A option package that had a few other options (i.e. Nav., Captain’s chairs, sunroof). Opted for this over the Limited due to about a roughly $6,500 price difference when similarly equipped. My kids are just going to wipe buggers on the inside anyway. However, I just couldn’t take the 6 speaker stereo. I’m not looking for amazing sound, but this stereo is weak. I’m totally fine with the stock Bose setup in my Q7 and Boxster, but this just wasn’t going to work.

So at 350 miles all the door panels came off, and new speakers went in. Also put in a Rockford Fosgate PBR300X4 amp which fit nicely in the extra space towards the dash under the center console (a bit up from the cupholders). Hopefully it won’t overheat (time will tell). I retained the factory head and spliced in to the factory harness (using line level inputs). Made me queasy in the process, but all went fine.

Project is almost done, and it sounds much better. Not perfect, but not like crap like before. I can hear the stereo now over the road noise.

However, just wanted to post a few ideas that might help:

Easiest point I found to run power for the amp was the grommet for the hood release cable on the driver side. Unfortunately, that’s opposite the battery so it’s not ideal, but it’s easy to reach.

Tweeter wire feed for front A posts actually split off in the door at the factory speaker, not the head unit. Made using the aftermarket speaker crossovers (mounted in the door) very easy. I retained all factory wiring.

Cutting holes in the rear door panel for new tweeters with a dremel is very easy. There are already holes (probably for the B&O system) in the back of the panel that almost act as a guide.

System still lacks deep bass, but for a $700ish upgrade, I wasn’t expecting a ton of bass. The sound is a bit “crisp” but I don’t hate the sound anymore.

Last step is the Forscan removal of the fake engine noise (and auto start), which I’ll work on soon.

According to the options sheet, the 2019 202A’s have a 9 speaker system. Also, I think it is only the upper trim levels with the fake engine noise.

 

[JKautz]

According to the options sheet, the 2019 202A’s have a 9 speaker system. Also, I think it is only the upper trim levels with the fake engine noise.

You are correct on the fake engine noise; after getting everything back together I don't get any engine noise.

However, I have a 2020 (not 2019) Expedition, and I've only got 6 speakers in the car. 4 in the doors, and two tweeters in the A column. Must have been a model year change.

 

[wakeboarder]

However, I have a 2020 (not 2019) Expedition, and I've only got 6 speakers in the car. 4 in the doors, and two tweeters in the A column. Must have been a model year change.

I just checked the options pdf and it does appear that the 9 speaker was eliminated from the 202a for 2020.

 

[JKautz]

System still lacks deep bass, but for a $700ish upgrade, I wasn’t expecting a ton of bass. The sound is a bit “crisp” but I don’t hate the sound anymore.

So after about 500 miles I just couldn't live with the "crisp" (OK, it sounded crappy) sound at high volumes. Sounded fine for regular volume, but wasn't great for high volume. If my wife says something about bad sound, I know it is an issue.

After some research, Ford actually tunes out bass for their low end speakers to keep them from blowing, especially at high volume. I was about to install a LOC converter to fix the issue (another $180), when I came across a FORSCAN code(s) that deletes out the factory sound tuning and knocks the signal down to pre-amp levels. Both codes 100% worked on Expedition (the non-Sony code):

http://www.2gfusions.net/showthread.php?tid=3704

Also, this might help someone, here is the wire color coding for the Expedition speakers with the setup like mine:

Left front tweeter positive: green/orange, negative: gray/orange

Right front tweeter positive: violet/orange, negative: yellow/orange

Left front door positive: white, negative: white/brown

Right front door positive: white/violet, negative: white/orange

Left rear door positive: white/green, negative: brown/yellow

Right rear door positive: brown/white, negative: brown/blue

Lastly, I continue to find no reason to spend $50+ for an add on wiring harness; I've had no issues cutting into mine (outside of the psychological concern of cutting the wiring harness of a $60K car).

 

[alwineinger]

How is the 3rd row sound after the upgrade? My teenagers complain that they can't hear anything (music or audiobooks) in our '19 XLT 200a Max when we're on the highway in the 3rd row without us fading to the rear and bumping the volume to the point that the 2nd row kids complain. I've been contemplating adding speakers to the rear side panels or pillars, but haven't cared enough to pop the panels off to see what I'd be dealing with. My buddy's '19 202a with the 10 speaker setup has door tweeters that ours doesn't, but doesn't have any speakers further back than the rear doors -- so I'm not sure if there are factory holes for mounting anything back there. If I can fix the 3rd row sound by running a new amp and replacing speakers, that's a lot easier that adding speakers to places that Ford didn't intend...

 

[Nalvenin]

Just bought a 2020 Expedition Max with the 202A option package that had a few other options (i.e. Nav., Captain’s chairs, sunroof). Opted for this over the Limited due to about a roughly $6,500 price difference when similarly equipped. My kids are just going to wipe buggers on the inside anyway. However, I just couldn’t take the 6 speaker stereo. I’m not looking for amazing sound, but this stereo is weak. I’m totally fine with the stock Bose setup in my Q7 and Boxster, but this just wasn’t going to work.

So at 350 miles all the door panels came off, and new speakers went in. Also put in a Rockford Fosgate PBR300X4 amp which fit nicely in the extra space towards the dash under the center console (a bit up from the cupholders). Hopefully it won’t overheat (time will tell). I retained the factory head and spliced in to the factory harness (using line level inputs). Made me queasy in the process, but all went fine.

Project is almost done, and it sounds much better. Not perfect, but not like crap like before. I can hear the stereo now over the road noise.

However, just wanted to post a few ideas that might help:

Easiest point I found to run power for the amp was the grommet for the hood release cable on the driver side. Unfortunately, that’s opposite the battery so it’s not ideal, but it’s easy to reach.

Tweeter wire feed for front A posts actually split off in the door at the factory speaker, not the head unit. Made using the aftermarket speaker crossovers (mounted in the door) very easy. I retained all factory wiring.

Cutting holes in the rear door panel for new tweeters with a dremel is very easy. There are already holes (probably for the B&O system) in the back of the panel that almost act as a guide.

System still lacks deep bass, but for a $700ish upgrade, I wasn’t expecting a ton of bass. The sound is a bit “crisp” but I don’t hate the sound anymore.

Last step is the Forscan removal of the fake engine noise (and auto start), which I’ll work on soon.

Hi, do you have pictures of the install and a parts list, etc? thanks.

 

[Trevin Demby]

So after about 500 miles I just couldn't live with the "crisp" (OK, it sounded crappy) sound at high volumes. Sounded fine for regular volume, but wasn't great for high volume. If my wife says something about bad sound, I know it is an issue.

After some research, Ford actually tunes out bass for their low end speakers to keep them from blowing, especially at high volume. I was about to install a LOC converter to fix the issue (another $180), when I came across a FORSCAN code(s) that deletes out the factory sound tuning and knocks the signal down to pre-amp levels. Both codes 100% worked on Expedition (the non-Sony code):

I'm considering changing out the speakers and adding a sub and an amp in my 2020 no B&O Expy. I was considering getting an LCI6 LOC, but realized that it didn't have accubass. Is the FORSCAN solution working well for you?

Thanks,
Trev

 

[kjv013]

How is the 3rd row sound after the upgrade? My teenagers complain that they can't hear anything (music or audiobooks) in our '19 XLT 200a Max when we're on the highway in the 3rd row without us fading to the rear and bumping the volume to the point that the 2nd row kids complain. I've been contemplating adding speakers to the rear side panels or pillars, but haven't cared enough to pop the panels off to see what I'd be dealing with. My buddy's '19 202a with the 10 speaker setup has door tweeters that ours doesn't, but doesn't have any speakers further back than the rear doors -- so I'm not sure if there are factory holes for mounting anything back there. If I can fix the 3rd row sound by running a new amp and replacing speakers, that's a lot easier that adding speakers to places that Ford didn't intend...

JKautz. Thanks for paving the way. Could you provide feedback on this question and Nalnevin's request for photos and parts? Thanks.

 

[TBaganATX]

I’m working on this as well. Just bought Hertz 6.5 Components for the rear doors, JL 800x8 amp, 55sqft soundmat. Still on the fence of front speakers and where I will install a sub. I know the limited and plats have like 16 speakers compared to my 9. Anyone know all those locations, or how to find them? I know the 3rd row has to suck fo now sound. I thought maybe some illusion audio for the rear hatch of it is deep enough & the speakers are shallow enough.. thoughts?


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[Aspen03]

I'm considering changing out the speakers and adding a sub and an amp in my 2020 no B&O Expy. I was considering getting an LCI6 LOC, but realized that it didn't have accubass. Is the FORSCAN solution working well for you?

Thanks,
Trev

The LC7i is what you're after if you want Accubass. Its a great piece of equipment. Audio Control also has a few amps with a built in LCi that handle signal summing, etc. Depending in your goals you might check out some of their DSP amps.

 

[8131full]

After some research, Ford actually tunes out bass for their low end speakers to keep them from blowing, especially at high volume. I was about to install a LOC converter to fix the issue (another $180), when I came across a FORSCAN code(s) that deletes out the factory sound tuning and knocks the signal down to pre-amp levels. Both codes 100% worked on Expedition (the non-Sony code):

Is this true for all Fords, or Just Expy's? What model year range?

 

[DWs-TTEB]

Is this true for all Fords, or Just Expy's? What model year range?

Don't know about all Fords but this worked on my 19 Expy (killed the factory equalizer limiter w/ ForScan)

 

[DWs-TTEB]

Source: http://www.2gfusions.net/showthread.php?tid=3704

 

[DWs-TTEB]

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[Anthony DeVor]

Just bought a 2020 Expedition Max with the 202A option package that had a few other options (i.e. Nav., Captain’s chairs, sunroof). Opted for this over the Limited due to about a roughly $6,500 price difference when similarly equipped. My kids are just going to wipe buggers on the inside anyway. However, I just couldn’t take the 6 speaker stereo. I’m not looking for amazing sound, but this stereo is weak. I’m totally fine with the stock Bose setup in my Q7 and Boxster, but this just wasn’t going to work.

So at 350 miles all the door panels came off, and new speakers went in. Also put in a Rockford Fosgate PBR300X4 amp which fit nicely in the extra space towards the dash under the center console (a bit up from the cupholders). Hopefully it won’t overheat (time will tell). I retained the factory head and spliced in to the factory harness (using line level inputs). Made me queasy in the process, but all went fine.

Project is almost done, and it sounds much better. Not perfect, but not like crap like before. I can hear the stereo now over the road noise.

However, just wanted to post a few ideas that might help:

Easiest point I found to run power for the amp was the grommet for the hood release cable on the driver side. Unfortunately, that’s opposite the battery so it’s not ideal, but it’s easy to reach.

Tweeter wire feed for front A posts actually split off in the door at the factory speaker, not the head unit. Made using the aftermarket speaker crossovers (mounted in the door) very easy. I retained all factory wiring.

Cutting holes in the rear door panel for new tweeters with a dremel is very easy. There are already holes (probably for the B&O system) in the back of the panel that almost act as a guide.

System still lacks deep bass, but for a $700ish upgrade, I wasn’t expecting a ton of bass. The sound is a bit “crisp” but I don’t hate the sound anymore.

Last step is the Forscan removal of the fake engine noise (and auto start), which I’ll work on soon.

There are grommets on the floor under the carpet in front of both seats on both sides there are two different size grommets


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[JKautz]

JKautz. Thanks for paving the way. Could you provide feedback on this question and Nalnevin's request for photos and parts? Thanks.

Sorry, I don’t check in here much. It’s better for people to email me ([email protected]) if they have questions.

The upgrade does help with the third row, but sound is still limited. My daughter is in the 3rd row a lot, and hasn’t really complained about sound after the upgrade. The higher trim level Expeditions have speakers in the rear pillars near the liftgate which I assume is for the third row. I have a PDF I can send showing where it is if anyone wants it.

I’m still happy with my Forscan fix for the EQ. I actually ordered a aftermarket equalizer, a LC6i, and returned it because i didn’t need it.



Added a tweater in the factory spot in the rear door (lots of dremel use)



Backside of the rear tweeter install.



Front A pillar tweeter replacement (yes, I used hot glue, and have had no issues).



Front door. Yellow area is where I mounted a thin piece of ABS plastic and then mounted the crossover.



Amp buried below the gear selector in the center “dash” area.

 

[JKautz]

Factory rear speaker... in case anyone wonders why the sound is so bad. The magnet is the size of a quarter.

 

[SWTB0BCAT]

Thanks for posting these pictures. I am looking to make upgrades to my 2020 6 speaker system soon. Still looking for a little guidance on speakers, amps, etc. A sub would be nice also.