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In fords defense, they never needed to change it until recently. The first irs design was a double wishbone unit that allowed better handling but was too difficult to fine tune. Ford changed it to a multilink setup to give the engineers better flexibility, specifically for added weight and size of the EL. The current design is old, but at the time was unrivaled for complete dynamics(good handling, great ride, cargo flexibility and capacity), atleast in expys class. The nav gained competitors from Europe and their suspensions were very over engineered in sacrifice of durability. When ford added ccd over air suspension, it allowed even same levels of comfort without the price of air suspension. All ford had to do was tune the current setup for the 4th gen, but I believe the added size coupled with lower weight made it too difficult to get the dynamics just right with the budget of the program. As a result, though comfortable, there's problems with it that is clearly vocalized. Though the fourth gen I owned in general was better than my third gen nav, I dnt remember my nav having the top heavy rocker motion thats noticed on here. It also had a very controlled bounce as well. In retrospect, the body control on the air springs was extremely good for such a big heavy truck. I think the extra Weight actually helped the design as it kept the body planted and resisted excess body motions. On std springs, the 4th gen had good body motions as well but the rocking motion was more pronounced, I remember testing a ccd platty that had a rocking motion but it was only in low speeds. I don't know how ford is going to address the issue. I honestly don't believe they are changing the design much as ford has a history of doing the bare minimum for the expy. It took them a decade to give the expy the remodel it deserved, and though the product was fantastic, still had problems. Still, the irs design, though aged, is still world class. The basic design is 15+ years old, yet the ride and capability it gives is still competitive with products that have newer designs with minimal adjustments made. It's telling how good it is because it took gm deconstructing it to clear the bar ford set, and even then, in most instances (unless you get both the magnet ride and air springs) has not cleared it in terms of comfort and capability.
 

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IRS’s biggest advantage is the extra room in the cabin. My old Raptor rode as good if not better than my Expy. And it had a solid rear axle. So you can make the solid axle ride amazing. It’s all about the room.


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And I'm not sure on the comment about cost for air vs ccd, after a dealer destroyed a couple parts on my wk2 during a service, they had to replace several components on my air suspension. Albeit none of my airbags were damaged, two airlines (which have no seams and had to replaced front to back), an equalization unit and pump had to be replaced. Based on the invoice, it's less than folks on here are paying for replacement ccd components. It's all relative and frankly air bags are a pretty old tech, electronically controlled hydraulic or magnetically variable viscous materials are a bit more cutting edge.
 

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Sure a straight axle can ride good, but with any effort it just doesn't ride like an IRS. They've had almost 100 years to make the straight axle ride good, so wait another 100 years and see how great the IRS is! lol
 

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2022 Expy getting Hybrid option?

Per the website https://www.autoverdict.com/ford/lincoln/2022-lincoln-aviator-unchanged-despite-refresh-rumors/ the Navi and Expy are getting the hybrid engine. Makes sense as these are probably the bigger profit margin vehicles so a good way to boost sales.

“The bigger news for the 2022 Lincoln Navigator will be what’s under the hood. Both the Navigator and Ford Expedition are expected to receive Ford’s 3.5-liter PowerBoost hybrid V-6 powertrain. This powertrain debuted on the 2021 F-150 and offers 430 horsepower and 570 pound-feet of torque. In the F-150 this powertrain offers an impressive 24 mpg in both city and highway conditions. Expect the Navigator hybrid to be marketed as the Navigator Grand Touring, similar to hybrid variants of the Aviator and Corsair.”

This will greatly increase the cost, but likely have an even bigger percent increase in resale as these may be looked at as dinosaurs in 3-5 years if not hybrid. Hopefully there will still be some sort of tax credit for hybrids.
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2022 Expy getting Hybrid option?

This will greatly increase the cost, but likely have an even bigger percent increase in resale as these may be looked at as dinosaurs in 3-5 years if not hybrid. Hopefully there will still be some sort of tax credit for hybrids.
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In the F150 the hybrid upgrade pricing varies substantially with the trim levels. In higher trims it's actually a very moderate price increase. I think we'll see something similar with the Expedition. I don't think there will be any tax credit because it probably won't be a plugin hybrid, so the battery capacity will be too small to qualify for a tax credit. I'm surprised Ford hasn't announced a battery plant. Between the Mach E, the hybrid trucks and the F150 Electric they're going to need a large number of batteries.
 

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In the F150 the hybrid upgrade pricing varies substantially with the trim levels. In higher trims it's actually a very moderate price increase. I think we'll see something similar with the Expedition. I don't think there will be any tax credit because it probably won't be a plugin hybrid, so the battery capacity will be too small to qualify for a tax credit. I'm surprised Ford hasn't announced a battery plant. Between the Mach E, the hybrid trucks and the F150 Electric they're going to need a large number of batteries.

https://www.clickondetroit.com/busi...p-produce-its-own-electric-vehicle-batteries/
 

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I knew that was coming eventually. I think Ford is still behind the curve on this. GM and Tesla already have factories either operating, or in the works. Ford is just planning a research center.

In other 2022 news, Ford has decided to relieve us of any plausibility deniability on whether we've exceeded our tow ratings by adding a payload scale. Hopefully this makes it to the 2022, so I can get to use it around 2025.

https://www.thedrive.com/news/40359/the-2021-ford-f-150-will-get-an-onboard-scale-to-measure-payload
 

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I knew that was coming eventually. I think Ford is still behind the curve on this. GM and Tesla already have factories either operating, or in the works. Ford is just planning a research center.

In other 2022 news, Ford has decided to relieve us of any plausibility deniability on whether we've exceeded our tow ratings by adding a payload scale. Hopefully this makes it to the 2022, so I can get to use it around 2025.

https://www.thedrive.com/news/40359/the-2021-ford-f-150-will-get-an-onboard-scale-to-measure-payload

That's pretty cool. Especially the tongue weight measurement. Very helpful.
 

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My guess is it will record those weights though too, so at some point we'll get into the arguments about how we might have exceeded a capacity by a couple hundred pounds for a short period of time, etc... I.e. Deny warranty repairs on a rear-end if you towed a little too much at one point.
 

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I've seen spy shots where it looks like the 22 Expedition will get a version of the Mustang Mach-E's huge screen and dash...which I'm ok with. Just because the Expedition is based on the F-150 platform doesn't mean that it has to share the interior with the truck. If I'm going to purchase a HUGE SUV I don't want it to look like the truck when I get behind the wheel. That being said, I can deal with having the same interior as the 21 F-150 because of the huge screen. Let's face it. We are, for all intents and purposes, in an infotainment screen war with every other car maker. Tesla started it off, Ram brought it to the full size trucks, GM updated theirs...somewhat. The Expedition could blow the competition out of the water if it had a screen like the Mach-E. I also think that it deserves a unique interior like the rest of the SUV line up.

As for the exterior, as long as it's not ugly, I'd be ok with it looking like the truck or an evolution of the current design.
 

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The new f150 news sounds real Interesting and could translate really well to the expy. The weight distribution hitch guidance seems like a sure fire bet. The payload sensor also seems somewhat helpful, particularly with towing and hauling. Hopefully, ford draws some interesting stuff for the expy and navi.
 

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If the expy is getting the lightnings interior, I will say the screen is def tacked and tacky looking, but its a huge improvement over what's current and even better than the gas f150s new interior.
 

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The lower trim lightnings have the current dash with the 15 in screen molded into it, it actually looks better than the platinum, though the platinum still is outfitted better.
 

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Mercedes et.al. made that mistake with their bolted-on iPad by mounting it way out in front of the dash with laptop mounts. It seems like the 2022 is a force fit, and their efforts to mold it into the dash were futile. My 2020 KR's screen is close to awful, in both size and resolution but you can get used to it. Considering this was a 2015-2017-ish effort with that era's technology in hand they didn't do TOO bad. Sync3 isn't all that terrible either anchored down with a circa 2007 graphics processor. Strange, but some of the CPUs elsewhere in the truck are up to date and modern.

What I'm hoping is the 2022 interior preview photos are just a placement attempt to see how a molded portrait mounted laptop would look in photos. In other words, I'm hoping for a redesigned dash to hold the screen much like they did on the Teslas. That would get rid of about 5000 buttons straddled all over the dash. Button placement needs some work, like grouping for like-functionality. The roof's glass and shade controls are scattered in with the interior lights, and I have to figure out what they mean when I just try to crack the roof. Same with the rear door release etc. Ever pop that when it's raining lol?

Anyone notice the body styling is pretty darn close to series 4? Or maybe this isn't the start of a new series? Or maybe the 2022 is not a redesign at all, just various upgrades. Also here's hoping they keep that twin turbo 6 too. No it's not an 8, but I like it. In fact, I really like the whole SUV. You've gotta admit, they did a pretty good job on this version.
 
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My 2c for upcoming changes (coming from a 2020 KR and reviewing the 2022 material that's just now hitting the streets):

Down shifts need some attention. This can stick you in the middle of an intersection post haste.
That crazy engine shutoff at stoplights needs a complete override.
Move the phone charger from squeezed in below the radio controls to the top of the dash.
Tweak the lane keeping software to be more sensitive without running you off the road before it kicks in.
Put a back seat camera somewhere so it can be viewed on the main screen. Keep an eye on the kids, the little flip down mirror just doesn't cut it.
Not sure if the "kick open" rear lift gate needs to be dumped completely or just re-worked. If I had a nickle every time it's bonked me in the head on the way down I'd be rich. I see a lot of you have just unplugged it, may try that soon.
Rear captains chairs need to slide left/right.
This one's just my opinion, but the low ratio rear end in the towing package is a mess. 4000 RPM at 70 mph has got to go.
A detailed description on what the differences are between "eco", "sport", "normal" etc.
In fact, let ME decide on each of the parameters for handling, such as suspension roll, stiffness, shifting patterns, and "eco?" <-- what in heck IS that? Manual only states "it helps economize your drive".
This SUV needs SHIFT PADDLES on the steering wheel something fierce. Assuming they're going to keep the Chevy 10 speed, but the little buttons on the console are well, they aren't.
Don't rely on "Android Motors" software (or whatever it's called) for us Android users. Just short of ridiculous. Great interface for iPhone though.
Somebody in Detroit has got to figure out the swaying and rolling that the CCD produces. Such a marvelous, high tech, superior hardware system that appears to be mangled through software again.
On the plus side, my CCD does a magnificent job of stepping over potholes, manhole covers and bumps. Now I REALLY like that and it works.
The IRS arms in the back just look funky if you're coming up from behind it. Something's wrong with all that.
Put a folding entry/exit grab handle up on the headliner near the door on the drivers side. Just like it is on the passenger side. Any reason they removed this for the driver?

So much for my nit picking, as the rest of the car is fantastic. With a couple of other expensive foreign cars in the garage, THIS one is my go-to. All the time. I just love to drive it.
 
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To see the interior, look at the f150 lightning Interior. It's hard to find, but theres a different interior for the lariat and below trims that I'm sure the expy xlt and ltd will get. I. Really hoping they add air suspension to the ccd.
 

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Mercedes et.al. made that mistake with their bolted-on iPad by mounting it way out in front of the dash with laptop mounts. It seems like the 2022 is a force fit, and their efforts to mold it into the dash were futile. My 2020 KR's screen is close to awful, in both size and resolution but you can get used to it. Considering this was a 2015-2017-ish effort with that era's technology in hand they didn't do TOO bad. Sync3 isn't all that terrible either anchored down with a circa 2007 graphics processor. Strange, but some of the CPUs elsewhere in the truck are up to date and modern.

What I'm hoping is the 2022 interior preview photos are just a placement attempt to see how a molded portrait mounted laptop would look in photos. In other words, I'm hoping for a redesigned dash to hold the screen much like they did on the Teslas. That would get rid of about 5000 buttons straddled all over the dash. Button placement needs some work, like grouping for like-functionality. The roof's glass and shade controls are scattered in with the interior lights, and I have to figure out what they mean when I just try to crack the roof. Same with the rear door release etc. Ever pop that when it's raining lol?

Anyone notice the body styling is pretty darn close to series 4? Or maybe this isn't the start of a new series? Or maybe the 2022 is not a redesign at all, just various upgrades. Also here's hoping they keep that twin turbo 6 too. No it's not an 8, but I like it. In fact, I really like the whole SUV. You've gotta admit, they did a pretty good job on this version.
2022's are a mid-cycle refresh akin to the 2018 F-150. It will continue using the 4th gen platform but offer the Powerboost as an option plus an updated exterior and interior.
 
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