I would also like to see the Tremor be avl w/o a sunroof to add to the cargo capacity. 2025 cargo is at 1320 lbs. Very small for the amount this beast can tow.
25-26, yay or nay
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I'm with you. There's no way one should have to buy a roof in order to upgrade the seating material from cloth to vinyl. The glass roof compromises structural rigidity and reduces roof rack weight capacity. Absolutely ridiculous.
We drove the Tremor. My wife is short and we could not figure out how to adjust the steering wheel for her. The salesman did when we got back using the steering wheel controls. But he even had a hard time. After saving the setting in memory that goes away. Adjusting the a/c and heat may be an issue. We will have to test drive again to see.
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i'm okay with the split tailgate if it actually works. Does it still have a lift glass? I'm assuming not, but I use that quite a bit, for everything dogs to lumber. That's actually why my last Grand Cherokee was the last, when the stopped putting a lift glass in a WK2.
But as @DieselMonk said, I can't stand the new dash and steering wheel.
Once you adjust the steering wheel a couple times,
does it have a lift glass, not for 2025. I did use it sometimes on my 2018. I guess they figure it has a split gate and you don’t need to open just the glass.
If you can’t stand the dash and wheel, it’s probably not for you, but I will say it grows on me more and more over time. You get used to the wheel, I actually like it now at speed. It is awkward with one hand in a parking lot though, so I got to put my phone or drink down lol.
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Expected delivery window of 12/29-1/6.
Assuming that holds, 4 months from order to delivery.
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The new controls reminds me of Ford's decision to ovalize everything back in the late 80's. Even the radios in order to discourage aftermarket companies. When I test drove the new Expedition a couple of months ago the steering wheel controls were very confusing. Why not allow for direct, simple controls? Menu diving is mysterious and counterintuitive. Dumb move, Ford.
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I could learn to deal with the new IP and could get a new, taller wife, with longer arms to work with the rear tailgate; but, the MAX won't go where I need to go without a limited slip rear end; and, it still isn't available in ANY MAX Expeditions or Navigators regardless of trim. So, I would have to take another vehicle to pull it through mud holes, snow filled two tracks, and to tow it down wet unimproved roads in the Dakotas. Useless.
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Picked mine up on Friday. Other than being surprised the Tremor doesn't come with adjustable pedals, it is absolutely wonderful.
Have a 23 Dark Matter Gray Stealth Edition and local dealer in my area is about have a 26 Platinum Dark Matter Gray Stealth on the lot. Thinking of trading my 23 in for the 26.
What should I be concerned about as far as quality build (interior & exterior), any engine/transmission etc. issues, instrumentation (control buttons vs screen control), ride (road noise), etc.?
Appreciate any feedback.
What should I be concerned about as far as quality build (interior & exterior), any engine/transmission etc. issues, instrumentation (control buttons vs screen control), ride (road noise), etc.?
Appreciate any feedback.
Going off test drives of 2025 expy and nav, and comparing to my 22 nav:
5th gen Pros-quieter, smoother ride even with 24in wheels (ccd, have not driven one without ccd), less jitters, better stereos, blue cruise is significantly better, more/better utilized space behind 3rd row, split tailgate is more convenient than liftglass.
5th gen Cons-overly complicated controls, feels less roomy for passengers, odd feature packaging, split tailgate makes cargo room access awkward(particularly for max), initial steering wheel awkwardness
Not really specific to the Expedition (though there was / is a specific issue), I'd avoid anything with 24" wheels / tires if ride quality and sidewall height is a consideration.
My 25 Tremor has adjustable pedals. You sure yours doesn't?
I looked at the order guides for both, indeed for 2026, adjustable pedals are not available on tremor, active and xl trims. Its also packaged with driver package, so base platinum and I believe stealth appearance pkg does not have them either.
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Sadly, yes...as @dlcorbett mentioned, it was removed from the Tremor for '26. I missed it on the order guide. Not a big deal, however, especially as the '26 does, in fact, come with the digital device holders on the back of the headrest...decent trade.
23 Limited Stealth Edition Owner. Recently went to see a 26 Platinum Stealth Edition at local dealer here in Maryland.
Was really underwhelming. First thing that caught my attention was standard running boards and not retractable. For $81k on a Platinum Stealth Edition retractable should be standard.
Second thing..... It appeared smaller inside than my 23 Limited (my is not a Max).
Third thing... No HVAC control buttons, all in the screen. Never a fan of that....
Fourth thing.... Steering wheel control buttons... Hated it!!!! And to hear from some on here that Apple Car Play doesn't work either. B.S...
Very underwhelmed. I drove up to the lot in my 24 F-150 XLT (blacked out) and didn't reveal to sales guy that I had a 23 Limited. So he was trying to still sell it as a good truck and did acknowledge my concerns. Then I revealed I had a 23 Limited Stealth Edition, he then agreed fully with me and my issues and said that there is a Platinum Plus model that would have more features and functions.
I will hold on to my 23 and pray I can get over 220k miles out it like I got out of my 04 XLT... Also not a fan of them scaling down to four models/trims....
Was really underwhelming. First thing that caught my attention was standard running boards and not retractable. For $81k on a Platinum Stealth Edition retractable should be standard.
Second thing..... It appeared smaller inside than my 23 Limited (my is not a Max).
Third thing... No HVAC control buttons, all in the screen. Never a fan of that....
Fourth thing.... Steering wheel control buttons... Hated it!!!! And to hear from some on here that Apple Car Play doesn't work either. B.S...
Very underwhelmed. I drove up to the lot in my 24 F-150 XLT (blacked out) and didn't reveal to sales guy that I had a 23 Limited. So he was trying to still sell it as a good truck and did acknowledge my concerns. Then I revealed I had a 23 Limited Stealth Edition, he then agreed fully with me and my issues and said that there is a Platinum Plus model that would have more features and functions.
I will hold on to my 23 and pray I can get over 220k miles out it like I got out of my 04 XLT... Also not a fan of them scaling down to four models/trims....
So it sounds like you drove an sap, and not an spp. They will feel vastly different from eachother. The sap is essentially the base platinum blacked out. Also, there is no platinum plus for the expy. The platinum trims are base, driver pkg, stealth appearance, stealth performance, and ultimate. Spp and ultimate are the nicest trims, though I rele liked the drivers pkg for its value quotient.
1. Yes this is the case for my26, my25 all platinums came with power running boards. You can get the power boards on driver pkg, which is cheaper than sap.
2. I felt like the newer ones feel wider, however, the legroom in the last 2 rows does feel less.
3. Your stealth must have the 12in screen.
4. I dont have one, I have a 22 nav, and neither my wife or I have iphones. What exactly are you trying to change using the steering wheel buttons though? Outside of volume and tracks, the phone mirroring is for the screen, not for the steering wheel buttons.
If you love your 23 def keep it. I love my 22 nav, but I do kinda wish I would've gotten a 25 expy.
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There is a lot of input here and much of it makes a lot of sense.
IMHO:
Never buy the first year of a generation, so I bought a 2026 and paid nearly $3000 less than the 25 (while there are 2025's still being sold), mark that one as good shopping skills or just good luck but it works for me.
The loss of the adjustable pedals in the 26 is truly a non-issue with an adjustable seat and 2 axis adjustable wheel.
I have never had good luck with inductive chargers, besides I am a "Big phone" person and they never seem to fit the pad, So I am not missing that.
The 2025's should have been cheaper with the 2026's now on the lot but they are the first in the Gen, so I guess you are paying for the R and D, and to me the lesson learned and implemented on the 26 was to keep it simple and cut out the tonsils and appendix.
Today's automobiles are network controlled, and they have been for some time, but the 5th Gen is a milestone, where you actually realize the button you push does not directly connect to a relay, it is all digital. So we have to get over the touch screen and move forward. Once you drive the 5th Gen 50 miles or more you realize that everything is near perfect as far as important information being in view, with your eyes primarily on the road. With that said, I miss the days of gauges and 12 volt lamps but learning the new tech is still fun for me.
With the 5th Gen I am anticipating issues with individual power supplies at nodes, mechanical/electrical failures at some of the modern actuators (The steering is electric). But the part that concerns me most is the proprietary software that controls everything. From that software anything can happen and I have no access to fixing it. But hey, imagine your world in all of your phones out there, especially iPhone's. Today we put faith in some big corporation to serve the client, and they keep the code proprietary so nobody will hack it (or use that excuse to hold you hostage to subscriptions).
So my answer is: Don't fear, just listen to input, absorb what you can, and then trust your gut, face it, we tend to fall in love with some big chunk of metal (and plastic) on a show room floor and find a way to buy it. It is Always hit or miss, there is no sure thing.
Good luck on your new truck my friend.
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IMHO:
Never buy the first year of a generation, so I bought a 2026 and paid nearly $3000 less than the 25 (while there are 2025's still being sold), mark that one as good shopping skills or just good luck but it works for me.
The loss of the adjustable pedals in the 26 is truly a non-issue with an adjustable seat and 2 axis adjustable wheel.
I have never had good luck with inductive chargers, besides I am a "Big phone" person and they never seem to fit the pad, So I am not missing that.
The 2025's should have been cheaper with the 2026's now on the lot but they are the first in the Gen, so I guess you are paying for the R and D, and to me the lesson learned and implemented on the 26 was to keep it simple and cut out the tonsils and appendix.
Today's automobiles are network controlled, and they have been for some time, but the 5th Gen is a milestone, where you actually realize the button you push does not directly connect to a relay, it is all digital. So we have to get over the touch screen and move forward. Once you drive the 5th Gen 50 miles or more you realize that everything is near perfect as far as important information being in view, with your eyes primarily on the road. With that said, I miss the days of gauges and 12 volt lamps but learning the new tech is still fun for me.
With the 5th Gen I am anticipating issues with individual power supplies at nodes, mechanical/electrical failures at some of the modern actuators (The steering is electric). But the part that concerns me most is the proprietary software that controls everything. From that software anything can happen and I have no access to fixing it. But hey, imagine your world in all of your phones out there, especially iPhone's. Today we put faith in some big corporation to serve the client, and they keep the code proprietary so nobody will hack it (or use that excuse to hold you hostage to subscriptions).
So my answer is: Don't fear, just listen to input, absorb what you can, and then trust your gut, face it, we tend to fall in love with some big chunk of metal (and plastic) on a show room floor and find a way to buy it. It is Always hit or miss, there is no sure thing.
Good luck on your new truck my friend.
V/r
SM
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CarPlay works just fine.
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Good to know aggiegrad, my wife has an iPhone.
I am going to add a few more apps but first I have to see how big the drive is.
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I am going to add a few more apps but first I have to see how big the drive is.
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