Auto stop benefit

[Nytimes770]

What is the effect of the auto stop feature on the different mechanical parts? For example will it wear down the starter sooner? The ignition?
How much gas could one potentially save in over 10,000 miles?

 

[Plati]

What is the effect of the auto stop feature on the different mechanical parts? For example will it wear down the starter sooner? The ignition?
How much gas could one potentially save in over 10,000 miles?

The engineering types say the starter and other parts designed for that service, so they can handle it. Batteries don't mind it, they say. Amount of gas saved is highly dependant on your individual driving habits. Time will tell , eh? Probably not worth worrying about. If you dislike it there are ways to get around it. Probably saves you MAX one mile per gallon on average. So it could save you 20 gallons in 10K miles. Just a wild guess, back of napkin calculation.

 

[AAOO]

I didn’t buy a land yacht for MPG. I installed my ASS eliminator within the first month of ownership.

 

[aggiegrad05]

Sir/Madam - you have opened up one of the two or three largest cans of worms around these parts. Good luck!


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[2018expyXLT4wd]

I didn’t buy a land yacht for MPG. I installed my ASS eliminator within the fist month of ownership.

Ditto... BuiltRight Industries www.AutostopEliminator.com

 

[Deadman]

Like EVERYTHING ELSE, it will take 3-5 years for all the problems to surface from shutting this thing off a million extra times. Restarting an engine in general is very hard on them, but a few years from now we will see everything they they prematurely wore out.
I deleted mine.

 

[carymccarr]

Restarting an engine in general is very hard on them,

In general yes. But not when they are warmed up. No.

 

[Grey ghost]

Ford basically got forced into it by stupid government mandates. I was one of the first to install the auto stop eliminator . The starter being built tougher is laughable if it is mine should last forever!

 

[Chamlet]

Will installing the auto stop eliminator void the factory or extended warranties?

 

[2018expyXLT4wd]

Will installing the auto stop eliminator void the factory or extended warranties?

Shouldn't. It's just installed inline with the switch and presents (and retains) the current state of the switch back to the system - rather than defaulting to on after each restart.

 

[Flexpedition]

Leased a Volvo for 4 years, wanting to say a 2010 model, so possibly from '09 thru '13 timeframe. V60 wagon, had auto stop. 4 years of driving where auto-start was used probably a dozen to twenty times literally per day. Houston, Chicago and Cleveland traffic, need I say more? Spent some time in DFW metroplex interstate parking lots too.

The car started just as strong, just as quickly the day I turned it in as the day I picked it up. Oil changes are the only maintenance the car ever got, battery was stock. This was a solid 10 years ago. Auto stop logic might be new to you, but isn't new technology.

If you think Volvos are world renowned for their extra heavy duty, over-engineered electrical systems, I've got a bridge I'd like to sell you.

 

[Molaf]

Shouldn't. It's just installed inline with the switch and presents (and retains) the current state of the switch back to the system - rather than defaulting to on after each restart.

Which version did you buy?

 

[Deadman]

In general yes. But not when they are warmed up. No.

How sure are we? lol. I still say a few years will tell more. lol

 

[aggiegrad05]

Leased a Volvo for 4 years, wanting to say a 2010 model, so possibly from '09 thru '13 timeframe. V60 wagon, had auto stop. 4 years of driving where auto-start was used probably a dozen to twenty times literally per day. Houston, Chicago and Cleveland traffic, need I say more? Spent some time in DFW metroplex interstate parking lots too.

The car started just as strong, just as quickly the day I turned it in as the day I picked it up. Oil changes are the only maintenance the car ever got, battery was stock. This was a solid 10 years ago. Auto stop logic might be new to you, but isn't new technology.

If you think Volvos are world renowned for their extra heavy duty, over-engineered electrical systems, I've got a bridge I'd like to sell you.

My boss dailys a 2012 BMW 6 grancoupe...with auto stop. Thing still works great. And BMW, just as @Flexpedition mentioned regarding his volvo, are not known for the robustness of their electrical systems.

Whether the ASS annoys you or not is an issue that is entirely one of personal preference and I am really happy there are products available to allow people to permanently disable the feature if they so choose. Truly, I am. Big fan of people doing with their car what they want.

But to continuously state that the ASS will lead to the early demise of the car or additional maintenance down the road (with no data to back it up other than "repeated starts are hard on a car") is not terribly helpful. Specifically for folks that may be coming on this forum trying to evaluate whether they want to buy a new Expi, and especially if those folks don't realize that you can't buy a new car today without the system.

I get it...ASS is polarizing, you either dont care or you hate it. But car manufacturers aren't generally in the business of designing things that will break (take off your tinfoil hat), I have a feeling they have a decent handle on how to implement the auto off feature given that the feature is now standard across the industry.

 

[carymccarr]

How sure are we? lol. I still say a few years will tell more. lol

Pretty sure. It’s not a new technology.


https://mechanicbase.com/electric/does-auto-start-stop-wear-out-engine-components/


https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/stop-start-long-term-impact-your-car-s-engine


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[Deadman]

Pretty sure. It’s not a new technology.


https://mechanicbase.com/electric/does-auto-start-stop-wear-out-engine-components/


https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/stop-start-long-term-impact-your-car-s-engine


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Don't drink too much of their Kool-aid! Its been known that a couple things on the internet aren't always true! lol

 

[Grey ghost]

Even if and that's a big IF it doesn't cause any extra wear on any of the parts you can bet that so called robust starter will be much more expensive to replace.
And if you think it isn't a huge inconvenience try driving in the Florida summer and have your a/c compressor shut down and have hot air blowing on you at every stoplight. I lived with that crap for 2 days before I ordered my auto stop eliminator.

 

[carymccarr]

Don't drink too much of their Kool-aid! Its been known that a couple things on the internet aren't always true! lol

Completely agree. Which is why I’ve produced actual fact based material not based on emotion and gut feel.

I’m wide open to any fact based articles you can produce that refute or dispute the information I’ve produced.

I have a vehicle with start stop and I honestly don’t mind it. It blows cold ac when it’s hot and heat when it’s cold. It’s smart enough to keep the engine on if power is being called for from auxiliary components. It also doesn’t shut off unless you REALLY push the brake all the way to the floor. Maybe the ford version is more intrusive and less intelligent. Not sure.

 

[carymccarr]

Even if and that's a big IF it doesn't cause any extra wear on any of the parts you can bet that so called robust starter will be much more expensive to replace.
And if you think it isn't a huge inconvenience try driving in the Florida summer and have your a/c compressor shut down and have hot air blowing on you at every stoplight. I lived with that crap for 2 days before I ordered my auto stop eliminator.

Looks like they are $300...maybe 2x the cost of a traditional starter? But certainly not crazy. Remains to be seen as deaddude says whether or not they can hold up over the long term.

 

[aggiegrad05]

Completely agree. Which is why I’ve produced actual fact based material not based on emotion and gut feel.

I’m wide open to any fact based articles you can produce that refute or dispute the information I’ve produced.

I have a vehicle with start stop and I honestly don’t mind it. It blows cold ac when it’s hot and heat when it’s cold. It’s smart enough to keep the engine on if power is being called for from auxiliary components. It also doesn’t shut off unless you REALLY push the brake all the way to the floor. Maybe the ford version is more intrusive and less intelligent. Not sure.

Yup...I live in Texas and have taken this thing through two summers...I’ve never had a problem with the a/c shutting off; if the system needs more juice, it just fires up easy peasy. And the Ford works the same as it’s fancy cousin, if you just lightly hold the brake at a stop, the system never comes on.