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Has anyone removed the ccd shocks and used an aftermarket coil over?

If yes did it generate problem codes?

If no one has done this yet I’m considering trying to remove the solenoid from the shock body and see if leaving it plugged in even though disconnected is a viable work around allowing for aftermarket coilovers.

if you have actual knowledge of a work around or delete method please let me know below. Thanks
 
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I called IVD today and they stated they are currently in development of a ccd compatible kit so I guess I’ll wait for it as no one has chimed in here yet. I’m guessing no one has done a ccd truck yet.
 

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I called IVD today and they stated they are currently in development of a ccd compatible kit so I guess I’ll wait for it as no one has chimed in here yet. I’m guessing no one has done a ccd truck yet.

Are they going to use live valving or eliminate the CCD’s all together?


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Is IVD Icon?

I know they sell a CCD removal kit for the Raptor. Might be worth reaching out to Fox as well. They were the first to come out with a CCD friendly shock upgrade for Raptors...
 

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Is IVD Icon?

I know they sell a CCD removal kit for the Raptor. Might be worth reaching out to Fox as well. They were the first to come out with a CCD friendly shock upgrade for Raptors...

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Is IVD Icon?

I know they sell a CCD removal kit for the Raptor. Might be worth reaching out to Fox as well. They were the first to come out with a CCD friendly shock upgrade for Raptors...

they said the raptor one is not compatible with the expedition.

I also put a call out to sdhq which is a pretty big shop down here in Phoenix. They are looking to see if what they’ve done to the Chevys with the mag shocks would work for the ford.

from what I’ve gathered so far it appears a sensor must be connected for the computer to not generate errors however until someone actually does pull the plugs on theirs I get the feeling it’s likely all speculation.

if there’s no aftermarket solution by the end of the year I’ll probably pull mine apart. Or maybe just order a ccd shock on eBay and dissect it.

my opinion is that the solenoid could be pulled from the shock and left connected to the harness to trick the computer into thinking the stock shocks are still there. It’ll take some work but I’m sure it can be figured out
 
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I’m also curious if anyone with ccd did the ready lift and did not lengthen the ccd angle sensors. I would love to know if not adjusting the little arms down there had any affect.
 

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I’m also curious if anyone with ccd did the ready lift and did not lengthen the ccd angle sensors. I would love to know if not adjusting the little arms down there had any affect.

I ran mine without the position sensors adjusted for a while. I did not even know about the linkages. I was more worried about the cable length on the shock. I ordered a set of linkages and the instructions say to measure the distance before you install the lift and readjust after. Since I did not have the measurements I went to the dealer for the first oil change at 2500 miles. With the lift and no linkages. I asked them to scan for any codes in the system. Not one code to be found. While I was there I measured a couple stock ones. Ordered the linkages and installed them. I could not tell one bit of difference in any setting. My guess is they measure the rate of acceleration not shock stroke length. As the tire goes up and down it adds dampening the faster the rate is VS acting like a bypass shock where the dampening is Y at this X rod length. I asked a tech about it and he didn’t know. Said he would check for me. Ya, right. It would be nice to know how they work.
 

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Time to start looking for a set of blown ccd shocks....?

SDHQ is a great shop. They helped me source and built my last truck. Serena's builds are generally pretty nuts. If you know anyone with a Gen1 raptor looking for a bumper let me know!

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If anyone would know about dual battery setups SDHQ would be the place to ask. They are generally on the ball with all their F150/Raptor stuff.
 
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I ran mine without the position sensors adjusted for a while. I did not even know about the linkages. I was more worried about the cable length on the shock. I ordered a set of linkages and the instructions say to measure the distance before you install the lift and readjust after. Since I did not have the measurements I went to the dealer for the first oil change at 2500 miles. With the lift and no linkages. I asked them to scan for any codes in the system. Not one code to be found. While I was there I measured a couple stock ones. Ordered the linkages and installed them. I could not tell one bit of difference in any setting. My guess is they measure the rate of acceleration not shock stroke length. As the tire goes up and down it adds dampening the faster the rate is VS acting like a bypass shock where the dampening is Y at this X rod length. I asked a tech about it and he didn’t know. Said he would check for me. Ya, right. It would be nice to know how they work.

that's exactly what i thought. I'm pretty sure they're accelerometer type sensors not actually measuring angle. if that's true id guess they'd be fine left alone or even disconnected. id love to confirm this. my only worry is that if they sense angle they might trigger the stability control system at extreme angles.

this is my first vehicle with nannys so im not really sure how integrated or intelligent each sensor is.

ive got a few months i can stall. might be able to find a used ccd shock and experiment though if it takes to long for something to come to market. SDHQ said they'd get back to me in few days.

@AKentPhoto yeah they're pretty solid. they did my body mount chop and reinforcement on my taco. ive mostly used sierra expeditions for most of my regular stuff i don't want to tackle in 110 degree heat down here. this is my first non toyota since i was 16. had a 1969 f100 as my first truck. all yotas since then til now.
 

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What is the main reason for wanting the Icons? I have had mine off road to it’s limit. It’s will never be a great overlander or trail rig. Sport mode is the way to go off road. It’s to big and low. And I worry about the flexing aluminum body and sunroof. It made some weird pops and noises flexing it up and dragging over ledges. If I had the regular shocks I would have the Icon kit. Just like I will never own a Superduty without a Carli kit. People just don’t understand how poor they ride and how good they can be. That being said the CCD’s and Ready Lift are not to bad. I would like to be able to pick the spring rate or adjust my ride height on the rear for towing. But other than that I am content for now. I may get the 2021 Excursion if it is real.


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What is the main reason for wanting the Icons? I have had mine off road to it’s limit. It’s will never be a great overlander or trail rig. Sport mode is the way to go off road. It’s to big and low. And I worry about the flexing aluminum body and sunroof. It made some weird pops and noises flexing it up and dragging over ledges. If I had the regular shocks I would have the Icon kit. Just like I will never own a Superduty without a Carli kit. People just don’t understand how poor they ride and how good they can be. That being said the CCD’s and Ready Lift are not to bad. I would like to be able to pick the spring rate or adjust my ride height on the rear for towing. But other than that I am content for now. I may get the 2021 Excursion if it is real.


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i want the bilstein 6112 shocks actually. the icon is way too expensive and after running icons and holsteins i find i like the simplicity and reliability of the bilsteins. and to be honest its mostly for the on road performance.
i find the stock shocks to be way too soft in normal mode and the transmission way to intrusive in sport mode. if i could combine the sport shock setting with the normal transmission shifts id leave it alone.

im not sure how long you drove yours before going ready lift. its possible by adding the ready lift the additional preload has remedied the overly soft issue for you. if you could shed some light on that id be interested to know.

i agree the expi is never going to be a serious off-roader. but with a little better dampening it won't annoy me on the streets and it'll go most places i want to take the family camping in comfort. i think you're in utah if memory serves. down here in arizona we have tons of really great dirt tracks that are plenty wide enough for the expi and the biggest issue i run into wheeling is washed out areas or really rocky patches (were water washes out the clay leaving big baby head rocks).

i tested the suspension with a jack (i don't have an rti ramp) and i found the expi has 4 inches of droop at each corner. unfortunately i couldn't find a good way to stuff them so i don't know but id guess less than two inches of up travel.

as im sure you know, but maybe informative for others looking at this, the spacer lifts add preload to the spring to affect a higher ride height. this comes at sacrifice of decreased total wheel travel however. ive never spacer lifted because of this so i have zero personal knowledge of how the ride changes. ive been in plenty of spacer lifted trucks but not as a drive and as a passenger i don't pay enough attention to the ride to really comment. id love to get 2 more inches of usable travel out of my suspension and i think the 6112 is better matched to the weight of the expi than the 5100. albeit i love my 5100s on my much lighter 4runner.

lastly the beautiful thing about our trucks having four wheel independent suspension is that any lift actually increases ground clearance. i can't even get under mine on a creeper so any gains there are really useful.

hope that clears up my goals and aims. more clearance and stiffer ride are the two main goals with added wheel travel to keep tires on the ground traversing deep ruts and uneven areas.
 
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ps glad you're on here lots of good info in your posts. love the roof rack info. and good pics. yours was the first build i really dug into to get info on tire and f150 wheels
 
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so im going off the deep end now... into uncharted territory with dubious to no info. just ordered some fox live valve raptor front coilovers. in a few month when it cools down im going to start evaluating my installation options. first test will be if th rpgoffroad raptor Damper Interface Device will plug into the expi and solve the ccd delete. this is going to be a long term project i think
 
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i ordered two sets of raptor live valve coilovers and they're sitting in my garage. slowly acquiring raptor conversion parts. gonna be an interesting project for sure. im mostly lagging cause i have 90k left on my bumper to bumper warranty..... oh and its been 110+ degrees
 

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Im so glad you are taking one for the team and being first!

I've heard mixed things about what suspension is on the Expedition... What generation control arms are you going with?

I wonder if there is a way to buy the harness for the raptor with the larger plugs. If the bypass devices work they are setup the same at the ecm side... Or if snagging some plugs and splicing in is a better route...
 
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So I have some bad news for the Navi crowd...
Using the RPG box disables all drive modes except Normal (2wd) and the Mud setting. My guess is the system gets rid of all the settings that are associated with changes to the CCD.

I'm hoping that the Expi will be better suited for the transition because it does a better job at keeping the systems separate.

Does anyone know if the tow trans tune is any different than the sport/excite setting? The goals of those tunes are similar... Quicker down shifts and holding gears... Might be a work around for sport mode without the changes to CCD.
 
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what did you end up doing with the rpg box? did you pull it? if you can't return it or don't want it id be interested to plug it into an expi and find out
 
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