CCD makes ride more comfortable?

[2018Expi]

New to posting here but I have a 2018 Platinum Expedition Max which has the 22" rims and the CCD. 2000 miles on the rig and I am leaning towards not liking the CCD. In my opinion the rig bobs up and down most likely in an effort to dissipate the initial bump but I would prefer one big bump rather than a continuous wave of smaller aftershocks. My family members do not like riding in the middle seats and cargo in the back flies up in the air when going over most speed bumps. I am having 20" rims and more of an off road tire installed today to see if the ride improves and I trying to determining if I can disable the CCD. I plan to drive a non CCD 2018 Limited to see if the ride is the same. I test drove a non CCD Limited a lot more than the Platinum and don't remember the Limited bobbing up and down. So, in my humble opinion drive the CCD a lot before buying it. Ford forces you into the CCD and 22" rim package one way or another if you want the 360 degree camera which is what I wanted not the CCD and rims. Anyone have similar comments or do I maybe have suspension issues?

 

[dlcorbett]

Does it do that in all the modes?

 

[pwsiiiesq]

So just clarify - the base limited no ccd but once you add 202a it has ccd. Also all platinum has ccd.

201a does not have ccd?

 

[aggiegrad05]

New to posting here but I have a 2018 Platinum Expedition Max which has the 22" rims and the CCD. 2000 miles on the rig and I am leaning towards not liking the CCD. In my opinion the rig bobs up and down most likely in an effort to dissipate the initial bump but I would prefer one big bump rather than a continuous wave of smaller aftershocks. My family members do not like riding in the middle seats and cargo in the back flies up in the air when going over most speed bumps. I am having 20" rims and more of an off road tire installed today to see if the ride improves and I trying to determining if I can disable the CCD. I plan to drive a non CCD 2018 Limited to see if the ride is the same. I test drove a non CCD Limited a lot more than the Platinum and don't remember the Limited bobbing up and down. So, in my humble opinion drive the CCD a lot before buying it. Ford forces you into the CCD and 22" rim package one way or another if you want the 360 degree camera which is what I wanted not the CCD and rims. Anyone have similar comments or do I maybe have suspension issues?

Take the speed bumps faster, your stuff won’t fly up. [emoji6]

 

[dlcorbett]

Ltd 302 and plat have ccd. 202 is an xlt pkg that has base suspension. Ltd 300 and 301 have base dampers

 

[Yukon Joe]

For those wondering what CCD is.

Continuously Controlled Damping (CCD):
CCD works by analyzing multiple signals collected from 12 high-resolution sensors, and adjusts dampers every two milliseconds for the best vehicle response in every situation. When the edge of a pothole is detected, in a fraction of a second the vehicle’s computer adjusts the dampers to their stiffest setting and prevents the wheel from falling as far into the pothole. The rear suspension can respond even faster, with a signal from the front wheel providing a pre-warning to the rear wheel, well before it reaches the pothole. When the tire and wheel don’t drop as far into the pothole, they don’t strike the opposite side of the pothole as harshly, which results in a much smoother ride than what you'd experience with a standard suspension.

https://corporate.ford.com/innovation/solving-the-bumpy-commute.html

@Yukon Joe

 

[dlcorbett]

Hey raphy, were you able to drive both versions?

 

[gtnator]

For those wondering what CCD is.

Continuously Controlled Damping (CCD):
CCD works by analyzing multiple signals collected from 12 high-resolution sensors, and adjusts dampers every two milliseconds for the best vehicle response in every situation. When the edge of a pothole is detected, in a fraction of a second the vehicle’s computer adjusts the dampers to their stiffest setting and prevents the wheel from falling as far into the pothole. The rear suspension can respond even faster, with a signal from the front wheel providing a pre-warning to the rear wheel, well before it reaches the pothole. When the tire and wheel don’t drop as far into the pothole, they don’t strike the opposite side of the pothole as harshly, which results in a much smoother ride than what you'd experience with a standard suspension.

https://corporate.ford.com/innovation/solving-the-bumpy-commute.html

@Yukon Joe

It’s great technology but the devil lies in the execution. GM has the same technology, they call it Magnetic Ride Control. However GM has done a poor job in implementing this technology on their full size SUVs as “harsh ride” and “how do I delete MRC” are one of the most talked about issues. Ford’s implementation, CCD real shines. They did a great job executing CCD technology in their full size SUVs. Most people claim CCD really works at smoothing out the ride. I think the only complaints I’ve heard is it’s too smooth and possibly bouncy at times. But would love to hear more experiences from this community.



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[Yukon Joe]

It’s great technology but the devil lies in the execution. GM has the same technology, they call it Magnetic Ride Control. However GM has done a poor job in implementing this technology on their full size SUVs as “harsh ride” and “how do I delete MRC” are one of the most talked about issues. Ford’s implementation, CCD real shines. They did a great job executing CCD technology in their full size SUVs. Most people claim CCD really works at smoothing out the ride. I think the only complaints I’ve heard is it’s too smooth and possibly bouncy at times. But would love to hear more experiences from this community.



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Well, I'm in a cheap xlt... with FX4, so all I got is stiffer springs, lol. It does sit about 1/2" higher over the limited I did the 24 hour test drive on.

Both drive extremely smooth even compared to the Raptor. B I wasn't looking for any difference, so I really didn't feel any difference with my but-o-meter between the limited, which I assume had CCD and my FX4

@Yukon Joe

 

[Scottorama]

With CCD, just realize that those shocks won't last forever. When they do need to be replaced, it will not be a cheap fix. Cost of ownership is much much higher if you plan to keep the vehicle more than 50,000 miles.

 

[Paddler]

Probably depends on rim size. I bought the XLT Max and stuck with the 18" wheels, figuring more compliant sidewalls would in part obviate the need for CCD. With the 22", and maybe even the 20", CCD is probably the way to go. Better ride, less vulnerable rims to damage, less expensive, what's not to like? Very happy with the ride quality.

 

[dlcorbett]

Lookin in the 3rd gen threads of other expy forums, no mention of ccd failing at all. Unlike gm, the expy doesnt use any air springs or shocks, which may add to durability. I hrd lincoln is working on an air spring for the navi, if they can fix the durability issue(which to be honest, they did a good job previous gen), and firm up the ride without losing compliance, they have an opportunity to make it and expy the most comfortable rides on the market

 

[Raphy]

Hey raphy, were you able to drive both versions?

Not yet. The dealer close by has very few inventory.


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[dlcorbett]

Probably depends on rim size. I bought the XLT Max and stuck with the 18" wheels, figuring more compliant sidewalls would in part obviate the need for CCD. With the 22", and maybe even the 20", CCD is probably the way to go. Better ride, less vulnerable rims to damage, less expensive, what's not to like? Very happy with the ride quality.

I thought this too. For the 15 through 17s, the xlt base setup was actually somewhat soft, but felt a tad loose on bumps at times. I then drove a ltd version, and it felt much tighter, so i thought the ccd couldnt do much different. They are very much different surprisingly. The 18s actually have a further feel in my opinion. Theres a much different character for how the suspension makes the vehicle feel with and without the ccd. Ford def did a good job tuning it for the most part, and they will only get better of they continue to build upon it. The aviator is getting the same setup with the road sensing camera, i wonder how long it will take for the nav(then expy) to get that version of it. I would think the ride would then get marginally better as well.

 

[star-art]

CCD shocks are about $700 per corner to replace right now. No idea yet how long they last.

The CCD setup makes a HUGE difference in ride smoothness. Coming from a Lincoln Town Car, I was hesitant to get into a truck at all but I chose the Expedition for its ride quality. The CCD option makes for just about the smoothest and most "plush" ride experience you can get in a vehicle like this.

As has been stated, when comparing to F-150 remember the pickup has a solid rear axle and rear leaf springs and those tend to be stiff. The Expedition has 4-wheel independent suspension with coils in the rear.

Also, the EL/Max models have a longer wheelbase and that gives you an even smoother ride. But, Ford chose to package the CCD with huge 22-inch wheels. The shorter sidewall height on those will help you feel the little bumps more. Yes, it's true that the rubber compound and quality will also make a big difference in ride smoothness.

So, if, like me, you want the smoothest possible ride, choose a MAX with CCD then put 18-inch or 20-inch wheels on it and buy the smoothest riding tires you can get your hands on.

 

[dlcorbett]

Still wanting to drive a nav with 20s, as this setup in the previous gen yielded the best results(softer springs, load leveling, and 20in wheels). Ccd nav is superior to ccd expy. If you could change any aspect of your vehicles ride, wat would it be?

 

[gtnator]

Why do you say the CCD Nav is better than the CCD Expy? Is it different?


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[Mothnuts]

I’m kind of surprised you think the Nav CCD is better then the Expy CCD. My boss’s wife has an ‘18 Nav with 22” Michelin Premier’s and his dad has an ‘18 Expy Platinum Max with 22” Michelin Defenders. We drove them back to back for an hour comparing the two, and couldn’t tell much difference in ride. We thought the Nav had less road noise, but part of that could have been the Premier vs Defenders. I suppose the Max might have evened it out, but the difference was negligible. When my Expedition comes in we can compare the standard length Platinum Expy to the standard length Nav., as I plan to put the Defenders on ours as well. The Nav is really sweet, but not sure it’s worth the extra $10,000 to me....actually my wife says she’d be more comfortable in the Expy then the Nav. Whatever...lol.

 

[dlcorbett]

To me, it had an airier more cossetting feel. I drove them on different roads, though. They both felt great and its been awhile since i drove them.

 

[Metroplex]

I have a 2017 Fusion Sport with CCD. You can enable the comfort mode on the FSPORT by using Forscan, otherwise it is normal and sport mode. CCD is nothing special. It appears to use a bunch of sensors to monitor travel and then engages a spool valve to slow the flow of oil. Comfort mode feels soft and compliant with a lot of roll in hard cornering. Sport mode feels like there is more rebound, no change to compression. There is a bridge I drive over every day. In comfort or normal, the car will oscillate badly due to the uneven surfaces. In sport mode, the car remains firm. That's about it. Keep in mind this is a 4100 lb sedan with the 2.7 EcoBoost, but my SHO was heavier and had regular gas strut and shocks. I felt the SHO rode and handled better. CCD is a gimmick in my book.

For really hard cornering like in a hairpin turn, I found comfort mode made the Fusion handle better because the suspension would squish and I could slide the rear easier. Sport mode makes it firmer and results in a bit more understeer, but the CCD overall doesn't feel xonsistent. The pothole mitigation was also a joke, I lost 2 front tires due to potholes because of basically pinch flats from the ridiculously low profile factory tires and soft sidewalls.