Ford, Are you Listening? 2018+ Change/Wish List

[Randy_270]

No buyers remorse on the Expedition, I just wish Ford would have given me the option of which engine I want. The idea of a turbo v6 is great in therory, until the boost kicks in. The unloaded fuel mileage is tolerable, and actually good when there is no wind on the highway, but mixed is no better the my 2014 F150 5.0 was as I said before. And the towing fuel milage is a joke. I have to run in 7th gear to get 8-9 mpg. 8th or 9th gear and the fuel mileage drops to 7-8mpg. Thats only towing a 6' x 10' enclosed single axle trailer with a 6' interior weighing about 2000-2500 pounds loaded. My F150 got 10-11 mpg with the same trailer, same speed, same roads running in 5th gear (same as 8th in the 10 speed) and I even had one size up tires on the truck. Overall I still really like the Expedition and don't plan on getting rid of it, but it is my first and last ecoboost.

 

[dlcorbett]

Unfortunately, by time you replace your expy, most all full sized suvs will have a turbo engine. I agree that ford shouldoffer the v8 in the expy, sales would damn near dbl off that choice alone. I myself wouldve took the 2.7 or diesel if it were available. I like the 3.5l, its scary quick n for me, gas mileage is fantastic for such a big car, esp after i hit 5k.

 

[gtnator]

I hear hybrids and plug in electrics are coming too. I would welcome the instant torque and electric range on a plugin, kind of like the Volt. It would be great to cruise around town and get 30-50 miles of all electric range, then switch to gas when you need it.


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[1955moose]

Mileage on the 3.5 turbo is pretty good. The same non turbo version in our Transit vans only get 8-9 in town, and about 12-14 highway. Thank God I dont pay for fuel!

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[Artie]

I hear hybrids and plug in electrics are coming too. I would welcome the instant torque and electric range on a plugin, kind of like the Volt. It would be great to cruise around town and get 30-50 miles of all electric range, then switch to gas when you need it.


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If they make a hybrid in the next few years we may trade our ‘18 in for it and get the longer wheelbase as well.

 

[18-FX4-GUY]

Interior wise wish they changed the cup holders, make them a little bigger like my F 150 had to hold my water bottles. Especially in the doors they are to small to hold anything.

 

[JExpedition07]

No buyers remorse on the Expedition, I just wish Ford would have given me the option of which engine I want. The idea of a turbo v6 is great in therory, until the boost kicks in. The unloaded fuel mileage is tolerable, and actually good when there is no wind on the highway, but mixed is no better the my 2014 F150 5.0 was as I said before. And the towing fuel milage is a joke. I have to run in 7th gear to get 8-9 mpg. 8th or 9th gear and the fuel mileage drops to 7-8mpg. Thats only towing a 6' x 10' enclosed single axle trailer with a 6' interior weighing about 2000-2500 pounds loaded. My F150 got 10-11 mpg with the same trailer, same speed, same roads running in 5th gear (same as 8th in the 10 speed) and I even had one size up tires on the truck. Overall I still really like the Expedition and don't plan on getting rid of it, but it is my first and last ecoboost.

I think a V8 will be coming, Ford has a few projects going on for future V8 Powertrains. The turbocharged engines dont get good economy under load and inevitablely have higher maintenance. Electric has a long way to go, and they need a way to make the charge faster.....if I went electric I want a 5 minute charge, no longer than it takes me to get gas. Plus I want the 500 mile range I get. Then again, I’ll just take the gas engine anyway. Electric is also crazy pricey for parts and maintenance. I’m sure one day electric will make more economic sense, but I don’t think internal combustion is going anywhere anytime soon.

GM has come leaps and bounds making the pushrod V8 fuel efficient and powerful.....to the point it gets the same economy as a V6. This still created more maintenance, id rather pay a bit more for gas and have the reliability. This is why I like the HD trucks, like Fords 6.2L and GMs 6.0L..... bullet proof reliable with good power.

 

[JExpedition07]

The 5.0L V8/ 10 speed in the F-150 has a been a home run. People love it as it’s fast as lighting and returns good mileage. It would fit the Expedition like a glove, and create a whole new group of buyers.

 

[JExpedition07]

BTW here is the brand new Hennessey Velociraptor 5.0L V8.....Not related whatsoever but I just had to share somewhere.


“It's what you've been waiting for. We took the new Ford Raptor truck, removed the V6 EcoBoost and installed a new 5.0L V8 engine in it. The result is the 758 HP Hennessey VelociRaptor V8. Order yours now! 979-885-1300”

http://www.HennesseyPerformance.com

 

[Randy_270]

BTW here is the brand new Hennessey Velociraptor 5.0L V8.....Not related whatsoever but I just had to share somewhere.


“It's what you've been waiting for. We took the new Ford Raptor truck, removed the V6 EcoBoost and installed a new 5.0L V8 engine in it. The result is the 758 HP Hennessey VelociRaptor V8. Order yours now! 979-885-1300”

http://www.HennesseyPerformance.com

Now if they put off road suspension and a v8 in the Expedition, I'd trade mine in right now!

 

[Garrett]

That would make my 75k vehicle the price of a navigator lol

 

[aggiegrad05]

Interior wise wish they changed the cup holders, make them a little bigger like my F 150 had to hold my water bottles. Especially in the doors they are to small to hold anything.

Agree. The door cup holders are not cup holders as they don’t hold cups. Maybe some sissy European tea cups or something, but this is ‘Murica and I can’t fit a Yeti in the door!

 

[gtnator]

I think the Platinum Expy has enough power, and I LIKE power. It has power through the entire band, which is awesome. I don’t tow so can’t comment on that. However I too wish it got a little better MPGs. Maybe a plug-in version with 30-50 miles of all electric range would take care of the mileage problem.


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[dlcorbett]

The new explorer is supposed to be launching with a hybrid v6 option. Ford is also working on a hybridized ecoboost for the navi thats due on the next f150 in 2 yrs. When those come out, well get a good base for what a hybrid can do in the expy come its redesign. Im hopin the diesel or another engine becomes available during the mid cycle refresh, and that it happens by 2021 when i turn mines in.

 

[JExpedition07]

The new explorer is supposed to be launching with a hybrid v6 option. Ford is also working on a hybridized ecoboost for the navi thats due on the next f150 in 2 yrs. When those come out, well get a good base for what a hybrid can do in the expy come its redesign. Im hopin the diesel or another engine becomes available during the mid cycle refresh, and that it happens by 2021 when i turn mines in.

Dodge has “e-torque” available on the new 5.7 Hemi in the Ram and Durango, which is a hybrid system. I’d avoid it but some like it as it gives more range.

 

[aggiegrad05]

Dodge has “e-torque” available on the new 5.7 Hemi in the Ram and Durango, which is a hybrid system. I’d avoid it but some like it as it gives more range.

The e-torque system is not specifically designed to extend the range of the Ram, it’s a byproduct.

The system was designed to level the load on the battery during the auto start-stop cycles and to smooth and accelerate the restart upon lifting your foot off the brake. Also to allow the truck to stay off longer and not pull power from the engine to run the electrics when cruising.

All this results in a couple mpg more, but it’s not a hybrid system like, say, a Prius.

https://jalopnik.com/the-2019-ram-1500-etorque-proves-that-electrification-w-1828568208

(I’m not being disagreeable, it’s just interesting what manufacturers will call a “hybrid” these days to jump on the bandwagon. #green #millennials #motherearth #hashtag)

 

[JohnT]

I was disappointed to learn the 130 ft-lbs of torque wasn't available to the engine when accelerating from a stop. Surely this could have been used to reduce the load the engine had to power when accelerating briskly, thus having the engine consume fuel as though grannying it off the lights but getting a reasonable take off?

Otherwise this is all in the name of making the auto start stop less troublesome which could be achieved more simply by removing the stop start altogether. In the real world most of us cannot detect the difference between auto start stop being on or off in the mpg of a tankful of gas. The artificial urban test route might, but most ordinary users won't

 

[DExpy17]

Get rid of the independent rear suspension and go to a solid rear axle for those of use that tow with it.

 

[gtnator]

Get rid of the independent rear suspension and go to a solid rear axle for those of use that tow with it.

Did you experience something bad during towing that makes you say this or is this just a general statement?


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[rumline]

I was heavily cross-shopping the Expy with the Yukon because everybody says that solid rear axle is better for towing. Only one article I read could actually artuculate how it is better. If I recall it was something about the extra weight can pull an IRS out of alignment, plus an IRS will cause the trailer to move around a lot more. But then after sitting in a Yukon SWB it was pretty much game over. That axle causes too many other tradeoffs that essentially make the rear row worthless in a Yukon SWB. Now I don't "need" more than 5 seats on a daily basis, but it sure is nice to have a usable 3rd row on occasion.

Now that I've towed my 6500 lb travel trailer 1200 miles with the Expy, I don't have any problems with trailer sway or any other stability problem. It tracks very solidly behind me even in strong crosswinds, much better than my Jeep semi-unibody did pulling it. I'm not sure how exactly a solid rear axle would help me.