New Expedition Cold Start Sound

[daviddsims]

I just bought a Certified 2018 Ford Expedition Limited with 40k miles on it. It was a one owner lease and everything seems good on it. The past few mornings when the wife starts it, there is a terrible sound from the engine area for a few seconds and then it goes away. After that, we can restart it and not replicate it until it sits all night. We're going to carry it back to dealer but they are 2.5 hours away so it's not a quick trip. After the car is warmed up we can't tell that there are any issues but the startup sound is terrible and not right. Any idea what this could be? Our weather is not cold as most mornings are in the 50's.

 

[Clemson82]

If you can describe the sound in more detail, or possibly post a video, you'll get more responses on here.

 

[daviddsims]

I'm going to record it tomorrow morning, really hard to describe.

 

[daviddsims]

I also followed the owners manual guide for checking oil. Warmed up to operating temp, let cool for 15 minutes and then check. Was surprised to see the oil way above the top mark, debating draining out or just changing even though it's new.

 

[AAOO]

Sounds like your cam phasers are shot. There is a huge thread on it here as well as a few other smaller threads. Here is the big one.

https://www.expeditionforum.com/threads/cold-start-rattle.41519/

 

[Deadman]

Cam Phasers......

 

[armoredsaint]

Maybe it has the Mexican Beer virus?

 

[osteodoc08]

if there are no drive ability issues it is likely the turbo.

 

[Bow512]

Cam phasers. Should be covered under the powertrain warranty and will probably take a week or so to replace. I had mine done in January and it’s been good so far. They also replaced my turbo actuators and linkage and that help that rattle as well.

 

[aggiegrad05]

If it’s a hideous racket for about 2 seconds, it’s bad cam phasers. If it’s a soft rattle for about 30 seconds, it’s a harmless exhaust issue.

 

[daviddsims]

If it’s a hideous racket for about 2 seconds, it’s bad cam phasers. If it’s a soft rattle for about 30 seconds, it’s a harmless exhaust issue.

I went ahead and drained the oil and put 6 qts of Motorcraft 5w-30 in it so I know it's right. I will record it tomorrow morning if it does so everyone can hear it. It almost sounds like the engine is coming apart for about 2-3 seconds.

 

[osteodoc08]

I went ahead and drained the oil and put 6 qts of Motorcraft 5w-30 in it so I know it's right. I will record it tomorrow morning if it does so everyone can hear it. It almost sounds like the engine is coming apart for about 2-3 seconds.

Well crap. It may be the cam phasers then.

 

[Deadman]

I went ahead and drained the oil and put 6 qts of Motorcraft 5w-30 in it so I know it's right. I will record it tomorrow morning if it does so everyone can hear it. It almost sounds like the engine is coming apart for about 2-3 seconds.

Thats exactly what cam phasers do. Look at youtube, Theres a million videos on them. They've been a problem for Ford for like 10+ years.

 

[daviddsims]

I have a video I recorded on my Iphone this morning but not sure how to put into a post.

 

[Lou Hamilton]

I have a video I recorded on my Iphone this morning but not sure how to put into a post.

I think you would use the 'Upload a File' button. You would probably need to post from your phone. If the direct website doesn't work, tapatalk is a nice app to use for mobile connectivity to the forum.

 

[daviddsims]

Here it is, only happens first few seconds after an all night rest.

 

[Bow512]

Here it is, only happens first few seconds after an all night rest.

100% cam phasers. It’s a pain but I’d get them replaced before the powertrain warranty is up. I drove mine like that for 15,000 miles waiting on a fix. Mine started making the noise around 15,000 miles and waited until 30,000 miles before ford “updated” the cam phasers. So far mine have been good since replaced 3,000 miles ago. Just hope it stays that way but there is no guarantee. Mine is much more responsive now that they are fixed.

 

[Artie]

Sounds like you have earned your ‘cam phaser from hell’ badge... sorry there is no confetti or balloons, just the sound of rattling victory.

 

[daviddsims]

I called my dealer and another local one and they both sound like they have never heard of this issue. It looks like I'm in for quite the ride.

 

[Bow512]

I would look for a dealer who has done multiple ones and knows what they are doing. A lot of parts come off during the process that, if not put back together correctly, can cause more problems. The dealers I checked with all recognized the problem from my video alone.

Where are you located? Maybe others would have a suggestion.