Owned 08' till 250k, Drive 17' F-150 5.0 now, considering going to 17' used expo

[Edmaude]

Folks,

I drove my 2008 til 250k and really liked the truck. I then moved into a 17' F-150 4x4 super crew with the 5.0 for the past two years. I like the truck and the 5.0, but honestly found the expedition more versatile for work and family.

There are a ton of prior rental ( not the best scenario but market is full) XLT models for sale here in NY that I can basically key swap with my F-150, but none have the HD tow package which I would really prefer vs. adding piece by piece aftermarket. I drove a 17' limited yesterday and loved it, but this would require some out of pocket which is not part of the plan.

Any insight from the group would be appreciated. I was up in the air with ecoboost vs. 5.0 on the pickup and have been pleased with the power and fuel economy. After driving the ecoboot expo yesterday I was really impressed with the torque and acceleration

Any insight is appreciated

 

[Adieu]

The '17 screw is probably worth more. Fseries holds value really well.

 

[TxOutlaw]

Yep, stick with the F150 if you want to hold your value... We keep our expy around as our family wagon, but if we ever replace it we may jump ship to a GM product so the value will hold better!

 

[Adieu]

Oh no, Expedition and Navigator are by far the most truck for your buck... just AFTER they take the depreciation hit and the generation-behind discount

Just buy them when they're in the $5 - 15k range, maybe 20k tops, that's all

 

[cmiles97]

I have a 17 XLT that was either a fleet or rental. Very basic with cloth seats and no HD towing package. I bought it with 29,000 last year and am approaching 50,000. I like it quite a bit and have had no issues. I've towed a untilty trailer pushing 5 to 6K llbs and a camaro on a transport from Central Alabama to Albany NY and back to Roanoke Va a couple of time in 90F summer heat.

It tows and drives great with impressive gas mileage. My 07 Sequoia averaged 14mpg and I'm averaging nearly 18mpg with the Expy in similar driving and the 18s and above are getting even better than that.

I really wanted another Sequoia as I don't trust Ford's long term quality. Yeah you can get 200,000 miles out of one but how much "nickel & dime" stuff needs repairs. Not to mention the paint issues on the tail gate & hood. I had similar experience with my older 4.0 jeeps. The 3 Toyotas (2 Tacomas & the Sequoia) I've owned nothing other than oil changes, timing belt/water pump at 90,000 miles (required maintenance), tires, brakes and spark plugs.

The previous poster is correct on value loss from new. I got a 1 year old 2017 with 29,000 miles on it for $34K. For a Sequoia I would have had to get a much older one with 75,000 or miles on it. The lowered used value is why I'm giving it a try.

You may not even have to get a 17. I've seen 18s used for a very good price if you don't mind an XL model.

I just did a search for 17s & 18s 4wheel drive with less than 60,000 miles. Yikes now $34K on the 17 looks high. I just bought it a year ago LOL

https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/Used+Cars/AWD+~+4WD/Ford/Expedition/Orlando+FL-32801?startYear=2017&maxMileage=60000&driveGroup=AWD4WD&makeCodeList=FORD&listingTypes=CERTIFIED,USED&searchRadius=0&modelCodeList=EXPEDI,EXPEDIEL,FORDEXPMAX&zip=32801&endYear=2019&marketExtension=true&sortBy=derivedpriceASC&numRecords=100&firstRecord=0

 

[cmiles97]

OK same search as above with Toyota/Lexus SUVs. Notice the asking price difference? Sorted by lowest price 1st. You have to scroll down on both searches to where the actual results begin.

https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/Certified+Cars/SUV+~+Crossover/Toyota/Orlando+FL-32801?startYear=2017&maxMileage=60000&driveGroup=AWD4WD&makeCodeList=TOYOTA,LEXUS&listingTypes=CERTIFIED,USED&searchRadius=0&zip=32801&endYear=2019&marketExtension=true&engineCodes=8CLDR&vehicleStyleCodes=SUVCROSS&sortBy=derivedpriceASC&numRecords=100&firstRecord=0

 

[Adieu]

I have a 17 XLT that was either a fleet or rental. Very basic with cloth seats and no HD towing package. I bought it with 29,000 last year and am approaching 50,000. I like it quite a bit and have had no issues. I've towed a untilty trailer pushing 5 to 6K llbs and a camaro on a transport from Central Alabama to Albany NY and back to Roanoke Va a couple of time in 90F summer heat.

It tows and drives great with impressive gas mileage. My 07 Sequoia averaged 14mpg and I'm averaging nearly 18mpg with the Expy in similar driving and the 18s and above are getting even better than that.

I really wanted another Sequoia as I don't trust Ford's long term quality. Yeah you can get 200,000 miles out of one but how much "nickel & dime" stuff needs repairs. Not to mention the paint issues on the tail gate & hood. I had similar experience with my older 4.0 jeeps. The 3 Toyotas (2 Tacomas & the Sequoia) I've owned nothing other than oil changes, timing belt/water pump at 90,000 miles (required maintenance), tires, brakes and spark plugs.

The previous poster is correct on value loss from new. I got a 1 year old 2017 with 29,000 miles on it for $34K. For a Sequoia I would have had to get a much older one with 75,000 or miles on it. The lowered used value is why I'm giving it a try.

You may not even have to get a 17. I've seen 18s used for a very good price if you don't mind an XL model.

I just did a search for 17s & 18s 4wheel drive with less than 60,000 miles. Yikes now $34K on the 17 looks high. I just bought it a year ago LOL

https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/Used+Cars/AWD+~+4WD/Ford/Expedition/Orlando+FL-32801?startYear=2017&maxMileage=60000&driveGroup=AWD4WD&makeCodeList=FORD&listingTypes=CERTIFIED,USED&searchRadius=0&modelCodeList=EXPEDI,EXPEDIEL,FORDEXPMAX&zip=32801&endYear=2019&marketExtension=true&sortBy=derivedpriceASC&numRecords=100&firstRecord=0

Dunno about 3.5l v6 TT's, but the 5.4l v8's certainly don't nickel and dime you as you run up the miles towards 200k

30k or 130k or 50k vs 150k shouldn't be any different for operating expenses

 

[barrydu4]

I usually buy the Demos from the dealer. They still have their warranties and are well maintained and they have some nice discounts. My dealer will not let a demo go over 12,000 miles.

 

[Edmaude]

Thanks for the input guys. The 3.5 eco is impressive, but long term running costs in the 200K plus range could be rough. My 5.4 with 250k ran perfectly and saw its fair share of towing etc as well. the F-150 seems to have depreciated much more than I thought it would.

I'm working a few dealers on some 2017 limited models that are certified. If I can walk away for a ew gran out of pocket and the ford certified warranty I may do this.

Or the idea of going back into a 2011-2012 limited around 11-14k seems appealing all of a sudden. I am still just blown away by the power the eco put out. I tow a 7x18 dual axle trailer with cars and tractors on it and the 5.0 in the truck does the job put it likes the rev

 

[JExpedition07]

Ya the 5.0 is relatively rev happy compared to the 5.4 and 3.5 but it excels in top end power where the later two fall on their faces. The 5.4L is an undersquare V8 (more stroke than bore), which creates good low end and mid range torque. The 3.5 Ecoboost is turbocharged and they are designed to give it boost early in the band, gobs of torque. The 5.0 is oversquare V8, likes to rev. However it has more top end pull than the other two and is an overall good engine. The 5.0 is fine and good to tow but best suited with at least 3.55s.

 

[Marauderleader]

I have a 13' and 15' 5.0 SCREW, and a 17' Expy Limited, bought the limited semi right, but new, wifey drives it, drives great, it was a little spendy though. I'll have it for 10 years, she has 9k on it 2.5 years into ownership, and they depreciate fast.

 

[rjdelp7]

Why would you want a vehicle with a sketchy history and a v6 turbo motor? Stick with the V8 S Crew.

 

[coolzzy]

I have a 17 XLT EL with luxury package (202a) and it has amazing power. I previously had a 5.0 Lariat F150 with 5.0 and a 10 platinum F150 with 5.4 and max tow. The platinum pulled far better than the 5.0 truck, and that expedition pulls far better still. Mine is CPO and I'm toying with purchasing an extended warranty to 125k miles since my wife loves the truck and it pulls our camper like a boss in the mountains with plenty of space inaife for family of 5.

Full disclosure I reccomended these things to everyone but with the sole caviat being don't touch one that doesn't have a Ford warranty on at least the powertrain. I'll keep it and enjoy it till the warranty is near up and then sell or trade for a newer one. There really is no comparison to this kind of power.

 

[cmiles97]

I have the Ford extended warranty. I got it from here.

https://www.floodfordesp.com/?gclid...BBTTlyWn-SBtFmexsaoMvCzAcSB1Fs7waAo5wEALw_wcB

 

[MidwestBoater]

I have a '16 Expedition that I bought with 56,*** miles on it a year and a half ago, and have no warranty, but it had a full maintenance history of 5k mile synthetic oil changes at the dealer it was bought from. I'm planning to keep it until 150,000 miles. I do my own maintenance and repairs, so it's a gamble I was willing to take. How many twin turbo v6s has Ford sold now? A million? And no widespread failures?

 

[JExpedition07]

I have a 17 XLT EL with luxury package (202a) and it has amazing power. I previously had a 5.0 Lariat F150 with 5.0 and a 10 platinum F150 with 5.4 and max tow. The platinum pulled far better than the 5.0 truck, and that expedition pulls far better still. Mine is CPO and I'm toying with purchasing an extended warranty to 125k miles since my wife loves the truck and it pulls our camper like a boss in the mountains with plenty of space inaife for family of 5.

Full disclosure I reccomended these things to everyone but with the sole caviat being don't touch one that doesn't have a Ford warranty on at least the powertrain. I'll keep it and enjoy it till the warranty is near up and then sell or trade for a newer one. There really is no comparison to this kind of power.

coolzzy what was the gear ratio in your 5.0 vs 5.4 equipped truck? I know the 5.4L has more low end torque but the 5.0 is pretty powerful and breaths good at higher rpm. Was there a gear ratio difference between your Lariat and Platinum? Did the 5.0 downshift more often?

I believe the 5.0 is a good engine, just more rev happy being oversquare.

 

[coolzzy]

My 5.0 had 3.55 gears and the 5.4 had 3.73. There was no comparison in pulling power, the 5.4 walked all over the 5.slow in towing duties. In a drag race the 5.0 would probably take the lead after revving out to 4k rpm but 4k rpm climbing a mountain going 40 mph with trailer behind you in 2nd gear is not any fun at all. The 5.4 pulled the same load up the same mountain at 3500rpm without struggle or overheating transmission like the 5.0 would (every. Single. Time. Transmission temp rising to 240 before I'd pull off and let it cool). 5.4 (2010 model) never ever went over 212 on transmission temp even in dead of summer in 95 degree temperatures.

Ecoboost will overheat the motor unless you keep speed below 50 on a steep climb when towing. It's not for lack of power, those turbos don't miss a beat but there is some programmed flaw or safety measure built into the computer that signals an overheat warning and says to reduce speed and you lose all power. Let off the gas for 10 seconds and the coolant temp instantly drops to normal instantly.....

 

[JExpedition07]

Thanks for clarifying, i wouldn’t say 3.55 to 3.73 ratio is a huge difference either. I guess that’s what happens when you compare a strictly truck engine like the 5.4L to a mixed use revvy pony car engine like the 5.0L. I have read that the 5.4 Triton has more ft lbs to 4K revs before too.

I’m sure the 5.0 is more fun for daily and spirited driving with occasional lighter towing. Overheating the trans under load is no good nor fun however.

 

[Expy_Tac]

I just picked up a ‘17 XLT 4x4 with 26k miles in December. Love it and the Ecoboost has a ton of very smooth power. Found one with leather, sunroof, SYNC3 and tow package. So basically a Limited with a little less chrome (which was a good thing). I did add an extended warranty that will cover me to 125k miles. I was looking at a few different trucks but the Expedition was more practical for the family. Plus I’ve always really likeed the Expys but never owned one. After a little research, found the Expeditions seem to be reliable and not a lot of issues with the TT V6.

For what it’s worth from a new member, I’ve been really happy with the rig so far. Great power, smooth ride and decent mileage for a big heavy suv. Plus it’s just huge inside for both family trips and runs to the home improvement store.

 

[Edmaude]

May just stick with the F-150 5.0 due to the numbers. It is a good truck and I really can't knock the 5.0. it is powerful, sounds great and returns good MPG even when towing. I dont tow more than 5000-6000 lbs and it does fine. Same load with my old 2008 expo also did ok, but I like the ability on the truck to lock out upper gears. If I do pursue the 2017 expo I will only get a unit with the ford CPO warranty.

What are you guys getting real world MPG with the eco boost expeditions? Will see how this shakes out