Transmission Issues

[Hellwig]

3.5 weeks in and apparently i'm number 5 in line for a new tranny. the parts are there, just too many in the queue for techs. so in the last 4 months, I'm going on 9 weeks without my car. and sadly the powertrain warranty expired while it's sitting in the dealer lot, waiting on service. Ironic right? taking bets on what ends up going wrong within 4 weeks of it coming home (given the powertrain warranty is now expired). I do have extended coverage from Ford, but that now means i have deductibles and likely no more loaners unless my dealer agrees to it.

Also, saw this interesting article about 10R issues. This thing was destined to have issues, the design literally creates too many possible issues. https://gearsmagazine.com/magazine/...ore-need-to-know-information-inside-the-unit/

Seems GM's version is not fairing much better either. https://www.thelemonfirm.com/2022/1...general-motors-for-its-10-speed-transmission/

If they could use ZF 8 speed，problem would be solved.

 

[Ugh_J]

I'm at a bit over 3k miles since mine was replaced with a new crate transmission. So far, so good, but I'm kinda in the same mental boat as some others: how long is my "shucks, mister, looks like this one is dying, too!" timer. I would have said "I wish Toyota made an equivalent to the Expedition Max" but then I start hearing about Toyota's new engines having issues as well. I think at this point I might be willing to give up the adaptive cruise and other newer features just to have something that I can trust will run for 200k without needing 7 new transmissions, 12 turbos, 2 or 3 lift gate actuators, a few control modules, and etc.

 

[2018ExpyPlatinum]

I find it interesting that Ford had been having issues for several years now, but GM has more or less just started to have issues. From the article, it sounds like the same basic problems. So why has it taken longer for GM's issues to pop up?

 

[5280tunage]

I find it interesting that Ford had been having issues for several years now, but GM has more or less just started to have issues. From the article, it sounds like the same basic problems. So why has it taken longer for GM's issues to pop up?

Agreed, they will just say it's because their software has tuned the tranny differently.

 

[5280tunage]

I'm at a bit over 3k miles since mine was replaced with a new crate transmission. So far, so good, but I'm kinda in the same mental boat as some others: how long is my "shucks, mister, looks like this one is dying, too!" timer. I would have said "I wish Toyota made an equivalent to the Expedition Max" but then I start hearing about Toyota's new engines having issues as well. I think at this point I might be willing to give up the adaptive cruise and other newer features just to have something that I can trust will run for 200k without needing 7 new transmissions, 12 turbos, 2 or 3 lift gate actuators, a few control modules, and etc.

Exactly on the Toyota front, can't believe they are replacing over 100K engines. That tells me the metal fragment issue is larger then they were leaning into. sadly the sheer popularity of these means Ford would be completely unlikely to do a similar recall / replacement program for entire engines or transmissions, but given the repetitive nature of things like phasers, trannies, etc, they really should be required to find more long term fixes for these major issues. Not everyone buys a car every 2-3 years.

 

[5280tunage]

Well actually, a complete surprise, mine was ready to be picked up today. Was totally expecting another couple weeks. So far it seems to be driving fine, but I badly need to clean everything now, still covered in lubricant spray. Even more crazy, the cost being billed to Ford is over $19K. That's unreal. Crossing my fingers I don't have any other issues. Nice thing, it's a complete tranny, so hopefully I don't have to worry about the CDF drum issues or anything else for some time.

 

[Hellwig]

Well actually, a complete surprise, mine was ready to be picked up today. Was totally expecting another couple weeks. So far it seems to be driving fine, but I badly need to clean everything now, still covered in lubricant spray. Even more crazy, the cost being billed to Ford is over $19K. That's unreal. Crossing my fingers I don't have any other issues. Nice thing, it's a complete tranny, so hopefully I don't have to worry about the CDF drum issues or anything else for some time.

What did the dealer do besides replacing the transmission?

 

[5280tunage]

What did the dealer do besides replacing the transmission?

This time, other than complete tranny replacement (funny thing is I saw the pallets of tranny's sitting in the storage area) and another loaner for 4 weeks, that's it. the loaner alone was over $2k reimbursement in that cost. $19k seemed ridiculous but he showed me the entire list of parts and labor.

 

[Ugh_J]

I find it interesting that Ford had been having issues for several years now, but GM has more or less just started to have issues. From the article, it sounds like the same basic problems. So why has it taken longer for GM's issues to pop up?

GM's issues aren't just now popping up. People have just been willing to deal with them. I suspect a lot of it also has to do with people having a lot less disposable income these days while car prices are through the roof. You'll complain a hell of a lot more about something that costs what houses cost a few years ago than you will about your Bic pen breaking.

 

[5280tunage]

This time, other than complete tranny replacement (funny thing is I saw the pallets of tranny's sitting in the storage area) and another loaner for 4 weeks, that's it. the loaner alone was over $2k reimbursement in that cost. $19k seemed ridiculous but he showed me the entire list of parts and labor.

This doesn't make much sense to me, I just looked up the tranny assembly and it's around $6K. not sure where the $19K came from. Maybe that included the cost of the initial valve body replacement and labor, and loaners for 10 weeks total? Not sure, but seems overkill if it was just the tranny, I would assume an insurance company would come close to totaling a vehicle with $20K in damages.

 

[5280tunage]

Quick update, so far so good on how things feel and the tranny has been staying a very constant temp which is good to see. But man I was annoyed, the night I brought it home, I noticed a bad and pretty loud rattle, anytime the vehicle was idling in gear, but not moving, i.e. sitting in the driveway. So today, put it up on ramps (which stands to be safe), and pulled the entire RCI skids off. I was going to do this no matter what to clean everything, given that everything was covered in tranny fluid from when it essentially blew. Man was it everywhere. But once I pulled them off, I pretty quickly found the issue. Looks like the dang tech lost two of the nuts that go on the heat shield studs on the tranny pan. Not only do the nuts look missing, but it looks like he or maybe the first tranny tech mangled the heat shield holes pretty bad.

Luckily I had some black oxide nuts that fit perfectly, and I used some small washers to help ensure the heat shield stayed in place. It was literally hanging down on top of the crossing Y pipe. I'm assuming they had to remove the Y pipes to do the tranny work, and it also looks like when they put them back together it was slightly lower which means it was coming in contact with my skid plate a little. Rotated and fixed that as well.

Super annoying, I'm actually annoyed that they didn't even try to clean the skid plates either, from all the oil. they've had it for almost 10 weeks combined. Why can't these guys have a little more pride in their work, the heat shield is the easiest part. I also noticed the external transmission cooler is slightly larger than the old one, maybe it will work a little better.

 

[bocabimmer]

Update: a couple months and 3k miles ago I had a rebuild done. Everything was fine at first but then it started shifting poorly again. Took it in today and they confirmed another bad CDF. They’re pushing for Ford to give me a new crate transmission over another rebuild.

Really hoping for a new crate transmission at this point as they said there was a large quantity of metal found throughout the transmission the first time.

 

[2018ExpyPlatinum]

Wow. Sorry to hear this. This is part of why I really don't think I can but another Ford/Lincoln. Not to say (fill in the blank) would be any better. I just extended my extended and plan on keeping mine until the issues start, then I'll try to figure it out.

 

[bocabimmer]

Wow. Sorry to hear this. This is part of why I really don't think I can but another Ford/Lincoln. Not to say (fill in the blank) would be any better. I just extended my extended and plan on keeping mine until the issues start, then I'll try to figure it out.

Just got word they are rebuilding and not replacing after all. Even the service writer wasn't too thrilled with Ford's decision about that (he even recommended I dump this truck before the warranty is up). We were planning on getting another Expedition after our Ford ESP runs out in 24k miles. I'm not feeling so confident that Ford has a handle on the situation and it's going to be a few years before anyone is sure that the revised CDF actually resolves the issue.

We need a car that can safely seat 8 with room behind the 3rd row up at all times. Expedition- not again, Suburban- same transmission, Sequoia- not the new one with its engine issues. I'm thinking I'll be looking for a 2022 or earlier Sequoia soon.

 

[Ugh_J]

I didn't think the sequoias were nearly as big inside as the full-length Expedition/Navigator/Suburban.

 

[5280tunage]

I didn't think the sequoias were nearly as big inside as the full-length Expedition/Navigator/Suburban.

their not, especially with what they did to the rear cargo area for the batteries.

 

[bocabimmer]

I didn't think the sequoias were nearly as big inside as the full-length Expedition/Navigator/Suburban.

They’re not. And as mentioned above, the new Sequoia is even worse.

That’s really a bummer for us as we have 4 kids so the 3rd row is always up (and ideally the entire 3rd row so each kid isn’t touching).

 

[AJ82]

We need a car that can safely seat 8 with room behind the 3rd row up at all times. Expedition- not again, Suburban- same transmission, Sequoia- not the new one with its engine issues. I'm thinking I'll be looking for a 2022 or earlier Sequoia soon.

It exists - it is called a minivan. If you don't need to tow and just move people, they are hard to beat.

 

[texsn95]

Kia Carnival!

 

[Jettix2]

UGH! Don't tell me that.

I'd be curious what the ratio is, between those that have had good outcomes with rebuilds vs. replacements? This just can't become another 5 visits to the dealer in 6 months. I just don't have the time.

Mine is back at the dealer, service advisor thinks at this point they will put in a cost cap claim and just replace the whole tranny, sure hope that's the case. but could be several weeks again, lovely This may be the end for me. there's just nothing else out there. Already talking to ford support about possible buy back again, see what happens

Finally got mine back with a “new” transmission installed. They told me it was a new crate trans. I can’t decipher from the RO if it’s new or factory rebuilt. We’ve put 900 miles on it. It’s better than before, but still not perfect.
Upshifts are smooth but 5-3 and 3-1 downshifts still clunk occasionally. We’ve got to be done with the re/learn period by now?? As soon as we get thru the holidays I plan on trading it in.